The 5 reasons whi -I- am voting for The Obama

[H. Lee White]

As He promised in 2008:

1: He cut the deficit in half
2: He closed Gitmo
3: He ended warantless wiretaps
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm)
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income

Exceptional work, Mr President - you certainly have MY vote!

 

[specklebang]

I'm not a fan but....
1: He cut the deficit in half - agreed. the man loves programs.
2: He closed Gitmo - he tried but the NIMBY folks wouldn't let him. So, cut him some slack
3: He ended warantless wiretaps - agreed. each president increases the power of the government. land of the free and all that jive.
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm) - I think you can pin that one on the other guys. In fact, I'm sure of it.
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income - agreed BUT we are a nation in decline and I'm not very sure anybody could have affected this.

You think the other guy will be better? You think he'll cut the deficit? I doubt it. You think he'll close Gitmo? He'll probably expand it after the Iran war starts. You thin he'll end wiretaps? I doubt it. You think he'll END tax cuts for the rich? Not based on his "plan" to reduce his own taxes to zero. The poverty rate and median income? He'll try but I don't think it will happen. This may be an insoluble problem.

I'm discussing, that's all. I'm voting 3rd party in despair.



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As He promised in 2008:

1: He cut the deficit in half
2: He closed Gitmo
3: He ended warantless wiretaps
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm)
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income

Exceptional work, Mr President - you certainly have MY vote!

 

[Jonsa]

As He promised in 2008:

1: He cut the deficit in half
2: He closed Gitmo
3: He ended warantless wiretaps
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm)
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income

Exceptional work, Mr President - you certainly have MY vote!

Of course 5 broken promises is enough to switch your vote. considering the circumstances he did pretty good with a lot of other promises tho.

1. economic circumstances and events overtook delivering on the promise and was exacerbated by obstructionism
2. signed an executive order to close gitmo as one of his first acts in office. Got way more complicated as opposition from all sides heated up. He attempted to bring terrorists to trial in the US but that was blocked, he bought a prison to dump the prisoners in and that was blocked. finally he gave up. He tried, but the president can only do so much as you well know, because he is president, not dictator.
3. Obviously got a earful about how important to national security it was. I gotta go along with you on that one, created by a republican, attempted to be repealed by democrat, and now you'll vote for a republican who has no problem with it.
4. He's been trying to do just that, in case you haven't noticed. Can you say republican instransigence and legislative obstructionism.
5. Again, circumstances and events overtook the ability to fulfil such a promise.

Look at all the promises bush broke when circumstances overtook his promised agenda.

 

[Dickieboy]

Here's my 5:

1. Create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers
2. Create a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes
3. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
4. End no-bid contracts above $25,000
5. Require employers to provide seven paid sick days per year

Truly exceptional...

 

[mike2810]

Interesting read on the excuses for Obama on the promises he has failed to keep.

Seems to me the majority of folks should have known it was all political grand standing when he stated those promises (I took it for that). Mainly because I know he would have to work with Congress and convince them to pass bills to make it so.

As far as Congress blocking, well didn't the Democrats have majority in the House and Senate for the first two years of Obama's adminstration?

After two debate, I filled my early ballot out and mailed it in. I can tell you I did not vote for Obama this time.

 

[H. Lee White]

You think the other guy will be better?

Look at all the promises bush broke when circumstances overtook his promised agenda.

Nuff said
:lol:

 

[H. Lee White]

As far as Congress blocking, well didn't the Democrats have majority in the House and Senate for the first two years of Obama's adminstration?

Yes. This is the congress that voted to - EXTEND - GWB's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm), which The Obama then signed.

 

[Dickieboy]

You think the other guy will be better?

Maybe, we’ll see if he gets elected.

You think he'll cut the deficit? I doubt it.

Yes, they both will some but realistically we will be running deficits of some amount for at least the next 10 years.

You think he'll close Gitmo?

No, he hasn’t promised to…unless I missed it.

You thin he'll end wiretaps?

No, he hasn’t promised to…unless I missed it.

You think he'll END tax cuts for the rich?

MAYBE, depends on how the Congressional races turn out. If Romney wins, GOP maintains the House AND Dems maintain the Senate it could get VERY interesting…wonder who will get called obstructionists then? If obstruction continues it will have a significant impact on the 2016 election…IMHO

The poverty rate and median income? This may be an insoluble problem.

Unless/until the economy gets back to an annual 4-6% growth I agree this to be probably an insoluble issue.

 

[Jonsa]

Interesting read on the excuses for Obama on the promises he has failed to keep.

Seems to me the majority of folks should have known it was all political grand standing when he stated those promises (I took it for that). Mainly because I know he would have to work with Congress and convince them to pass bills to make it so.

As far as Congress blocking, well didn't the Democrats have majority in the House and Senate for the first two years of Obama's adminstration?

After two debate, I filled my early ballot out and mailed it in. I can tell you I did not vote for Obama this time.

You do know how the senate works dont' you? Are you familiar with filibuster and cloture? Are you familiar with the fact that essentially the republicans have rejected simple majority rule in the senate and now to get anything of import passed requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster or succeed in cloture?

You shoule examine the senate record for both the 111th and 112nd congressional sessions. The pattern of obstructionism is pretty darn clear.

 

[mike2810]

You do know how the senate works dont' you? Are you familiar with filibuster and cloture? Are you familiar with the fact that essentially the republicans have rejected simple majority rule in the senate and now to get anything of import passed requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster or succeed in cloture?

You shoule examine the senate record for both the 111th and 112nd congressional sessions. The pattern of obstructionism is pretty darn clear.

yep, I am aware of how Congress and the House work

Didn't the Dems have a super majority at one time?

Seems a good leader would find a way to bring the two sides togeather.

 

[Thrilla]

You do know how the senate works dont' you? Are you familiar with filibuster and cloture? Are you familiar with the fact that essentially the republicans have rejected simple majority rule in the senate and now to get anything of import passed requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster or succeed in cloture?

You shoule examine the senate record for both the 111th and 112nd congressional sessions. The pattern of obstructionism is pretty darn clear.

is it clear?

I understand that Dem want to portray the GOP as the sole party causing this obstructionism... but lets take a few things into consideration here.
many filibusters ( according to the GOP, about half) have come about specifically because Harry Reid would not allow GOP amendments to legislation.
in some cases, Cloture was invoked by Harry Reid without the presence or threat of a filibuster.. preemptive cloture is something he is pretty good at.
(for instance, there were 17 clotures invoked over judicial nominees.. none of which were filibustered, all of which passed muster in the committees by unanimous bipartisan consent)

the pattern of obstructionism is clear.. sure... but which party is to blame gets a bit muddy.

 

[TurtleDude]

As He promised in 2008:

1: He cut the deficit in half
2: He closed Gitmo
3: He ended warantless wiretaps
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm)
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income

Exceptional work, Mr President - you certainly have MY vote!

As my Amish friends say

He truly SUCKETH

 

[Dickieboy]

You do know how the senate works dont' you? Are you familiar with filibuster and cloture? Are you familiar with the fact that essentially the republicans have rejected simple majority rule in the senate and now to get anything of import passed requires 60 votes to overcome a filibuster or succeed in cloture?

You shoule examine the senate record for both the 111th and 112nd congressional sessions. The pattern of obstructionism is pretty darn clear.

Kinda wondering how much you know about cloture and filibuster. First, I’m sure you are aware that the Democrats started the filibuster in 1917, right? And Republicans have tried to ‘do away with it' a couple of times since, including the nuclear option in ’05. It is up to the Senate Majority Leader to bring up discussion on Senate rules modifications which Reid has discussed but failed to do so probably fearing the loss of power when the Democrats are in the minority.

As to cloture, it is commonly used as a routine tool to manage the flow of business, even in the absence of any apparent filibuster. For these reasons, the presence or absence of cloture attempts cannot be taken as a reliable guide to the presence or absence of a filibuster. Inasmuch as filibustering does not depend on the use of any specific rules, whether a filibuster is present is always a matter of judgment. To further your education:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30360.pdf

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Here's the five why I am voting Obama:

1) I believe in affirmative action, no matter how far the incompetence stretch.
2) I am so twisted with white guilt, that I want to be able to sleep at night. Even if I wake up more in debt every day.
3) Hollywood hotties love Obama, and if I ever have that lucky opportunity to have a drink with one, our mutual Obama admiration might get me laid.
4) Its that white guilt again.
5) I will be dead before my grandkids know enough to blame me, so that won't really count.

 

[Conservative]

As He promised in 2008:

1: He cut the deficit in half
2: He closed Gitmo
3: He ended warantless wiretaps
4: He ended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich (tm)
5: He reduced the poverty rate and raised the median income

Exceptional work, Mr President - you certainly have MY vote!

Exactly right and in addition he has tremendous support from the military and family members of the military

Articles: Military Families are Outing Obama

In addition his booming economic growth of 1.3% is exceptional and there are only 22.7 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers

 

[Conservative]

Here's my 5:

1. Create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers
2. Create a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes
3. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
4. End no-bid contracts above $25,000
5. Require employers to provide seven paid sick days per year

Truly exceptional...

In addition he doesn't have supporters like this spouting lies over and over again

Top 5 reasons - YouTube

 

[winston53660]

In addition he doesn't have supporters like this spouting lies over and over again

Top 5 reasons - YouTube

How many people have been arrested over youtube videos? Like the lady claims in your link.

 

[spud_meister]

And in unprecedented news, a politician failed to meet the promises that got him elected. :roll:

 

[Eighty Deuce]

And in unprecedented news, a politician failed to meet the promises that got him elected. :roll:

But in variance to the normal rule, this one loses reelection.

Good riddance to this most inept poseur.

 

[H. Lee White]

And in unprecedented news, a politician failed to meet the promises that got him elected. :roll:

In a related story.... the partisans that voted for him because of the promises he made don't care - the'yre going to vote for him again.

 

[spud_meister]

In a related story.... the partisans that voted for him because of the promises he made don't care - the'yre going to vote for him again.

Precisely. Politicians promises shouldn't mean **** to any one.

 

[MattS0621]

Of course 5 broken promises is enough to switch your vote. considering the circumstances he did pretty good with a lot of other promises tho.

1. economic circumstances and events overtook delivering on the promise and was exacerbated by obstructionism
2. signed an executive order to close gitmo as one of his first acts in office. Got way more complicated as opposition from all sides heated up. He attempted to bring terrorists to trial in the US but that was blocked, he bought a prison to dump the prisoners in and that was blocked. finally he gave up. He tried, but the president can only do so much as you well know, because he is president, not dictator.
3. Obviously got a earful about how important to national security it was. I gotta go along with you on that one, created by a republican, attempted to be repealed by democrat, and now you'll vote for a republican who has no problem with it.
4. He's been trying to do just that, in case you haven't noticed. Can you say republican instransigence and legislative obstructionism.
5. Again, circumstances and events overtook the ability to fulfil such a promise.

Look at all the promises bush broke when circumstances overtook his promised agenda.

First of all, Bush is not running for office anymore. Secondly, Obama has not offered anything except excuses and blame. Reagan inherited a far worse economy than the one Bush left behind and he was able to dramatically lower the unemployment rate from 10.8% to 7% by the end of his first term and further down to 5% by the time he left office. Obama's policies have barely budged the unemployment rate today. I think he was absolutely in the right to try and close Gitmo, however when it comes to non U.S. citizens, such as prisoners or war, they are not granted the same rights as U.S. citizens and should not have access to the courts inside our country or a jury for crying out loud. I'm not sure what happened with wiretapping but as for the Patriot Act, it was not created by a Republican, it was signed into law by a Republican, yes, but it was written by Joe Biden in 1996 and they had been trying to push it for years. When 9/11 happened, they used that as an opportunity to push the legislation through as they do with a lot of legislation, they used fear to make it happen. So, republicans AND democrats are both responsible. Obama also supports the National Defense Act, as does Romney, read up on what that is, it's incredibly disturbing. Obama's way of doing things is too set in stone with no room for flexibility and that is why he will never be able to get anything done. Republicans are not the problem, Bill Clinton did just fine with a republican congress. That is again, just Obama making excuses and blaming others for his inability to lead.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Serious question: Do you Obamabots have no shame ? No self-respect ? Is our country so ****ed-up that you no longer care past free-stuff tomorrow ?

Jeezus Christ. Find some backbone again. Stop expecting easy-street.

 

[Jonsa]

yep, I am aware of how Congress and the House work

Didn't the Dems have a super majority at one time?

Seems a good leader would find a way to bring the two sides togeather.

Ordinarily I'd agree. Except for a really interesting development in republican politics -it got hijacked by the extreme right. I am constantly amazed by republicans short memories.

they seem to forget that the teapublicans came to congress and expressly stated that htere would be no compromise. They killed the bipartisan grand bargain that Beohner and Obama hashed out. they rejected pleas by their party leadership to tone it down. They ranted about how it wouldn't be a bad thing for American to default on its loans. They refused to even entertain tax increases as a balance to the spending cuts. They blocked every major piece of legislation put forward by the democrats.

A good leader can't very well bring that type of intransigence together with more moderate elements unless he was prepared to bend completely over and get it up the butt. And if that happened, then he would'nt be much of a leader now would he?

Here's what fox had to say about the supermajority you refer to:
Democrats' Senate Supermajority Not as Strong as Advertised | Fox News

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Ordinarily I'd agree. Except for a really interesting development in republican politics -it got hijacked by the extreme right. I am constantly amazed by republicans short memories.

they seem to forget that the teapublicans came to congress and expressly stated that htere would be no compromise. They killed the bipartisan grand bargain that Beohner and Obama hashed out. they rejected pleas by their party leadership to tone it down. They ranted about how it wouldn't be a bad thing for American to default on its loans. They refused to even entertain tax increases as a balance to the spending cuts. They blocked every major piece of legislation put forward by the democrats.

A good leader can't very well bring that type of intransigence together with more moderate elements unless he was prepared to bend completely over and get it up the butt. And if that happened, then he would'nt be much of a leader now would he?

Here's what fox had to say about the supermajority you refer to:
Democrats' Senate Supermajority Not as Strong as Advertised | Fox News

Then you do not know the Grand Bargain. Boehner pulled it. Because Obama went to change it after Boehner put his neck way out. They had a deal. Obama changed it. Look it up.

I do not know if you are deliberately making stuff up, or if someone else saw you as gullible and so fed you a pile of crap.

Its one or the other.