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Texts surface between Don. Jr. and Mark Meadows

I think we passed the tipping point a while back, exactly when is not as clear. I think before NOV2016.


disclaimer: I’ve always been a half empty kind of person….

Trump is a symptom of the Republican Party's fascism. He is not the cause.

The 2010 Tea Party movement was the beginning of the end for me -- an obviously racist movement by a bunch of white voters unhappy about having a black President.
 
Mens rea. There was always intent to overturn the election (that’s a coup).
Mens rea is the mental element of a person's intention to commit a crime; or knowledge that one's action or lack of action would cause a crime to be committed.

Nothing in the article indicates an awareness by jr of possible illegalities involved in any ideas being considered, much less an intent to break any laws. On the contrary, jr appears to lack even a basic understanding of election law and our Constitution (ex; asserting that Congress could simply vote to reinstall Trump as president).

Mueller’s team knew they were dealing with a dumbass when they determined it would be difficult proving jr knew he was breaking election law when he happily agreed to meet with Kremlin-linked lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya at Trump Tower during the ‘16 campaign.
 
Trump is said to have never used a computer. Has that ever been verified and has there been a reason from Trump as to the why? Anyone else think it strange that a son would have to reach his father through the CoS?
 
I think we passed the tipping point a while back, exactly when is not as clear. I think before NOV2016.


disclaimer: I’ve always been a half empty kind of person….
i believe the beginning was the failure to prosecute nixon
instead giving him a blanket pardon for wrongdoing known and unknown

the intent was noble: preserve the dignity of the office of president of the USA

but notice where we are now relative to such 'dignity'
 
i believe the beginning was the failure to prosecute nixon
instead giving him a blanket pardon for wrongdoing known and unknown

the intent was noble: preserve the dignity of the office of president of the USA

but notice where we are now relative to such 'dignity'

Yes, but powerful members of the Republican Party, such as Barry Goldwater, made it clear to Nixon that he would not survive impeachment. That is why Nixon resigned.

Trump did far worse than Nixon and survived two impeachments. The Republican Party is orders of magnitude worse now than it was during Nixon's time.
 
*Trump murders troop of Girl Scouts with flame thrower*
DOJ: “Okay okay fine, we’ll open an investigation…into his unpaid parking ticket from 1998.”
WTF is going on over there?
IMO Merrick Garland is bending WAY over backwards to not make his DOJ appear to belong in a Banana Republic.

Once again Democrats worry about norms and standards and ethics, while Republicans only concern themselves with the best way to rip out the jugular.
 
Trump is said to have never used a computer. Has that ever been verified and has there been a reason from Trump as to the why? Anyone else think it strange that a son would have to reach his father through the CoS?
I heard he turned off his phone. But does it seem likely if he has a smart phone that he can't use a computer? I read once a long time ago that he forbid his employees to use email though. Doesn't seem possible, but maybe not for important stuff.
 
i believe the beginning was the failure to prosecute nixon
instead giving him a blanket pardon for wrongdoing known and unknown

the intent was noble: preserve the dignity of the office of president of the USA

but notice where we are now relative to such 'dignity'
It is like anything, it starts out with something small, (relative to today,) and slowly it gets chipped away. As norms were breached, it picked up speed. In the last ten years it has been like the snowball that picks up mass on its way downhill, becoming heavier and faster and much harder to slow or stop.

….or the boil the frog analogy…
 
It is like anything, it starts out with something small, (relative to today,) and slowly it gets chipped away. As norms were breached, it picked up speed. In the last ten years it has been like the snowball that picks up mass on its way downhill, becoming heavier and faster and much harder to slow or stop.

….or the boil the frog analogy…
Yes. And the Executive Branch has gotten more and more powerful relative to the other branches of government. There is little separation of powers as the Constitution laid out because Congress is not enacting its role.
 
Yes. And the Executive Branch has gotten more and more powerful relative to the other branches of government. There is little separation of powers as the Constitution laid out because Congress is not enacting its role.
They spend too much time pan-handling and lying……..I quit House of Cards a few years back because I thought the plot lines were too far fetched……..
 
Sure looks like the investigation is getting awful close to Trump himself.


Donald Trump Jr. texted Mark Meadows ideas on how to overturn the 2020 election: report

Donald Trump Jr., former President Donald Trump's eldest son, texted then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows ideas to overturn the 2020 results before most major news networks had called the election, according to a CNN report published Friday.

"It's very simple," Trump Jr. wrote in a text message to Meadows on November 5, 2020, two days before the major news networks declared Joe Biden the winner. "We have multiple paths We control them all."

The messages are part of a trove of records being examined by the House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol siege, CNN reported.
We have multiple paths, we control them

He needs to explain
 
Yeah, and that's one reason I'm getting pretty fed up with Biden. He constantly talks about what a threat Putin is to world peace, but he needs to be talking A LOT more about the threat posed by the Republican Party here at home. Before it's too late.

The problem is Biden has spent most of his political career being cordial and friendly with Republicans, but this is not the Republican Party of 20 - 30 years ago.
Ah no

Biden was warning America 2016-2020 not to trust Putin.

The other guy was kissing Putins arse
 
Completely unsurprising that jr would be involved. I don’t see anything in the article that would put himself or his father in legal jeopardy though.
Everybody says that about everything new that comes out. Looking at it as an individual incident, maybe there is nothing illegal. But when taken in the total context of what went on since just before the election, it may be part of a larger conspiracy.
 
Ah no

Biden was warning America 2016-2020 not to trust Putin.

The other guy was kissing Putins arse

I don't think you understand my post. Trump's Republican Party is far more dangerous to this country's national security than Putin is.
 
Who gets an indictment first, if at all, Meadows or the most recent House referrals, Scavino, Navarro.


IIRC, Meadows referral was over three months ago……
He may be past his expiration date.
 
Everybody says that about everything new that comes out. Looking at it as an individual incident, maybe there is nothing illegal. But when taken in the total context of what went on since just before the election, it may be part of a larger conspiracy.
The beginnings of the Big Lie.
 
January 6 was a demonstration got out of hand.
It was a demonstration of a plan that had been made a long time ago by President Trump and his close advisers to keep him in power although he had lost the majority of electoral votes in the 2020 presidential election. The plan failed.
 
Sure looks like the investigation is getting awful close to Trump himself.


Donald Trump Jr. texted Mark Meadows ideas on how to overturn the 2020 election: report

Donald Trump Jr., former President Donald Trump's eldest son, texted then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows ideas to overturn the 2020 results before most major news networks had called the election, according to a CNN report published Friday.

"It's very simple," Trump Jr. wrote in a text message to Meadows on November 5, 2020, two days before the major news networks declared Joe Biden the winner. "We have multiple paths We control them all."

The messages are part of a trove of records being examined by the House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol siege, CNN reported.
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A meme is worth...
well...maybe 50 words.
-Peace

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That's the "real world" result and it happened because Trump was trying to corrupt our election.

I don't say that because I hate Trump. I say it because it's true.

Your first statement states an assumption that is not justified by real world facts. My guess is that it is motivated by your hate of Trump.

Your second statement is denial of the obvious motivation of your first statement.
 
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