Texas to allow guns in schools and churches.. LONG overdue!

[ttwtt78640]

Hmm...all those crime guns come from other areas? Weird. I suppose that would never happen if we banned or seriously restricted gun ownership here. No chance that guns would come into the US from outside. That would be almost as crazy as if all those drugs the gangs sell came from south of the border or something.

Yep, because "gun control" laws are super laws that even career criminals would not dare violate. Look it up, because it works everywhere else in the world - see Mexico.

 

[bongsaway]

That, of course, is a real problem now even if the ("I thought he/she was possibly") armed person was not actively shooting at anyone.

Keep in mind these are supposedly highly trained police. I consider what this cop did an execution from what I could see on the video. The "I thought" defense just doesn't hold water for me. It's always shoot first ask questions later. The whole situation in my opinion could and should have been handled differently. This man was no threat to anyone. It's why I'm against concealed carrying. When a person is holding a firearm, how are other citizens supposed to know if that person is a good guy or the shooter?

 

[Mach]

That is not the argument he is making, he is saying gun free zones makes us less safe.

Yes, remove gun free zones, those zones have more guns and thus are more safe. OP says "problem solved".

Dayton shooter was dropped in like 30 seconds, he still killed 9 and wounded dozens. Good guy, in this case trained with firearms, right next to him, didn't stop the shooting before it did tremendous damage.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Keep in mind these are supposedly highly trained police. I consider what this cop did an execution from what I could see on the video. The "I thought" defense just doesn't hold water for me. It's always shoot first ask questions later. The whole situation in my opinion could and should have been handled differently. This man was no threat to anyone. It's why I'm against concealed carrying. When a person is holding a firearm, how are other citizens supposed to know if that person is a good guy or the shooter?

Hmm... how, exactly, is holding a gun (presumably in one's hand) related to concealed carrying?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Hmm...all those crime guns come from other areas? Weird. I suppose that would never happen if we banned or seriously restricted gun ownership here. No chance that guns would come into the US from outside. That would be almost as crazy as if all those drugs the gangs sell came from south of the border or something.

They would still smuggle guns but as you know that would dramatically reduce the supply and increase the price. And guns are harder to smuggle than drugs.

The fact that countries with fewer guns have less gun violence.

But I would prefer to look at ending drug prohibition which would end a lot of gang violence.

And I'm not suggesting we ban guns. I think a purchased gun should be tied to its owner through registration. This will make it more difficult to just buy a bunch of guns and sell them out of your trunk. Or sell them out of a hotel room like in Taxi Driver...

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Yes, remove gun free zones, those zones have more guns and thus are more safe. OP says "problem solved".

Dayton shooter was dropped in like 30 seconds, he still killed 9 and wounded dozens. Good guy, in this case trained with firearms, right next to him, didn't stop the shooting before it did tremendous damage.

Ted Nugent or Charlie Daniels would have taken him down sooner, I'm sure of it.

 

[Lutherf]

They would still smuggle guns but as you know that would dramatically reduce the supply and increase the price. And guns are harder to smuggle than drugs.

The fact that countries with fewer guns have less gun violence.

But I would prefer to look at ending drug prohibition which would end a lot of gang violence.

And I'm not suggesting we ban guns. I think a purchased gun should be tied to its owner through registration. This will make it more difficult to just buy a bunch of guns and sell them out of your trunk. Or sell them out of a hotel room like in Taxi Driver...

The reason there is very little gun smuggling in the US is because guns are legal here. They don't need to be smuggled. Make them illegal and just watch what happens.

 

[vesper]

Texas gun laws: Weapons will be allowed in churches and on school grounds

Solution to cowards targeting gun-free zones, answer, get rid of gun-free zones! There, no more mass shootings, problem solved!

GOP - You're welcome!

Tim-

I read your link. As far as schools go, a person that is registered to carry can keep his gun in his locked vehicle, out of sight on school grounds including school staff. And they loosened regulations on how many armed guards a district can hire. I certainly don't have a problem with either of those laws. In fact I see it as a plus for taking down an assailant in a school setting where most of the time they are sitting ducks.

Tim I heard a lot of talk yesterday and today about banning semi automatic rifles. But then a smart person I often read pointed out some statistics that turned out to be true. In 2017 according to the FBI there were 403 murders using a rifle and 1,591 using a knife. Latest data available.
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Rifles - 403
Shotguns- 264
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)- 696
Other weapons or weapons not stated- 979

So what I did was start doing searches on the web about murder by knife stabbings. Then I did a search on students murdered by stabbings. OMG I was shocked to discover the number of students that had been murdered with a knife. Overwhelmingly these cases were only covered in local media, not national media.

We have some real problems in our society. Semi automatic rifles are not at the heart of them.

 

[tres borrachos]

State firearm death rates Top 5:

1. Alaska
2. Alabama
3. Louisiana
4. Mississippi
5. Oklahoma


State firearm death rates Bottom 5:

46. Connecticut
47. Hawaii
48. New York
49. Rhode Island
50. Massachusetts

Lookee at that! All those Trump loving red states on top, and all those librul states on the bottom.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yes, remove gun free zones, those zones have more guns and thus are more safe. OP says "problem solved".

Dayton shooter was dropped in like 30 seconds, he still killed 9 and wounded dozens. Good guy, in this case trained with firearms, right next to him, didn't stop the shooting before it did tremendous damage.

Yep, so the obvious answer is to treat everyone as if they were a potential crazed mass shooter.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

I read your link. As far as schools go, a person that is registered to carry can keep his gun in his locked vehicle, out of sight on school grounds including school staff. And they loosened regulations on how many armed guards a district can hire. I certainly don't have a problem with either of those laws. In fact I see it as a plus for taking down an assailant in a school setting where most of the time they are sitting ducks.

Tim I heard a lot of talk yesterday and today about banning semi automatic rifles. But then a smart person I often read pointed out some statistics that turned out to be true. In 2017 according to the FBI there were 403 murders using a rifle and 1,591 using a knife. Latest data available.
FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Rifles - 403
Shotguns- 264
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)- 696
Other weapons or weapons not stated- 979

So what I did was start doing searches on the web about murder by knife stabbings. Then I did a search on students murdered by stabbings. OMG I was shocked to discover the number of students that had been murdered with a knife. Overwhelmingly these cases were only covered in local media, not national media.

We have some real problems in our society. Semi automatic rifles are not at the heart of them.

Yeah, it's a sick dysfunctional society founded upon violence and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

The reason there is very little gun smuggling in the US is because guns are legal here. They don't need to be smuggled. Make them illegal and just watch what happens.

There would be smuggling but not a huge amount. Certainly nothing like that for drugs.

The "want" for guns is no where near as high as for drugs so the amount being smuggled would be much lower.

See the UK as an example.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Yep, so the obvious answer is to treat everyone as if they were a potential crazed mass shooter.

Or treat them as if they are american sending out their military to wage endless war on the planet.

 

[tres borrachos]

Or just more shootings when the person with the gun at school decides to go on a rampage because some snot nose little kid pissed them off for the "last time".

"Patriots" body slam 13 year olds for not taking off their hats while the National Anthem is playing. I wonder what they will do to the kids who really act up.

 

[ttwtt78640]

"Patriots" body slam 13 year olds for not taking off their hats while the National Anthem is playing. I wonder what they will do to the kids who really act up.

Yep, but a "no body slamming during the national anthem sign" would have prevented that.

 

[Bodi]

Texas gun laws: Weapons will be allowed in churches and on school grounds

Solution to cowards targeting gun-free zones, answer, get rid of gun-free zones! There, no more mass shootings, problem solved!

GOP - You're welcome!

Tim-

So a teacher has to run to the parking lot to get his gun and then run back to the building where the shooter is... and when the cops show up and I am running around with my gun?

 

[tres borrachos]

Yep, but a "no body slamming during the national anthem sign" would have prevented that.

Actually, a lobotomy for the idiot who did it would have prevented that. Too bad it didn't happen before he attacked that kid.

 

[VanceMack]

The idiot leftist response to this story is not unanticipated.

Its probably lost on all the idiots ****ting themselves over this story that 31 of the 50 states in the country have already allowed this and shockingly...we havent seen ANY of the gloom and doom ohmigawdwereallgoddadiiiieeeeee responses projected by the left.

Is it going to stop even a single mass shooting? Who the **** knows. We KNOW for a fact that there is a .00000000000167% chance that any school on any given day might be subjected to a mass shooting incident. So maybe not. Allowing responsible armed citizens (as is already happening) to carry weapons concealed is a much better idea than hiring guards for the nations 360,000 public and private schools. Its also a damn sight more intelligent than expect police response to save the day...because we have seen how unrealistic that is.

Of course the idiot leftists have no answers beyond BAN GUNS!!! Then idiot leftists point to places like the UK and Australia as examples of how that would work. Those same idiot leftists will ignore the FACTS in both of those examples...that there has been the same number of mass shootings SINCE the UK gun ban that there was in 50 years PRIOR to the UK gun ban (ONE) AND that the murder rates and violent crime rates and incidents of shootings and stabbings have all INCREASED since the gun ban. And they will ignore the FACTS in Australia...that incidents of massacres SINCE the Port Arthur incident and gun ban have INCREASED from 19 in the previous 25 years to 27 in the 23 years since the ban.

Oh...wait...they dont want to ban guns...right? Just ARs. Excpet history has proven that the majority of mass murders in the last 37 years were committed with handguns and shotguns...and not ARs.

So...maybe background checks. Well...OK...but the shooters in pretty much every case PASSED a background check. "So....Ummm...then obviously we need MOAR background checks...and the Gunshow Loophole...ummm...and magazine capacity bans...and.....ummmmm.........**** the NRA!!! I HATE YOU!!! I HATE YOU!!! You are all a bunch of white supremacist nazis!!! BLLLLLLLLARRRRGGGH!!!!!!!"

 

[ttwtt78640]

Actually, a lobotomy for the idiot who did it would have prevented that. Too bad it didn't happen before he attacked that kid.

It is very hard to prevent crime - even a complete, nationwide ban on heroin, cocaine and meth still managed to create a multi-billion dollar industry, run entirely by and for criminals. Perhaps we should try lobotomies for the idiots who violate such ban laws or simply give up on prohibition as we did with, the recreational drug, alcohol.

 

[bongsaway]

Hmm... how, exactly, is holding a gun (presumably in one's hand) related to concealed carrying?

Let's say I'm at a mall, at the movies and I'm carrying. Shooting starts and in my heroic moment I decide to pull out my weapon and start shooting. Now we have two shooters and people are running amok scared out of their minds. The cops come rushing in, in force. Even though I'm trying to stop the shooter, how do I convince the cops in that split second I'm the good guy? My guess, I don't they shoot me cause I have a weapon in my hands at the scene of a shooting.

 

[tres borrachos]

It is very hard to prevent crime - even a complete, nationwide ban on heroin, cocaine and meth still managed to create a multi-billion dollar industry, run entirely by and for criminals. Perhaps we should try lobotomies for the idiots who violate such ban laws or simply give up on prohibition as we did with, the recreational drug, alcohol.

I like alcohol.

 

[tres borrachos]

Let's say I'm at a mall, at the movies and I'm carrying. Shooting starts and in my heroic moment I decide to pull out my weapon and start shooting. Now we have two shooters and people are running amok scared out of their minds. The cops come rushing in, in force. Even though I'm trying to stop the shooter, how do I convince the cops in that split second I'm the good guy? My guess, I don't they shoot me cause I have a weapon in my hands at the scene of a shooting.

I just read this post twice. First time I tried to visualize it. Second pass i actually did. You are really making a good point here. Do the cops wait to interview witnesses before taking action? And what if another gun owner is nearby, and hears the shooting, and wants to intervene. He comes around the corner. It's you and someone who looks like the El Paso shooter (normal looking) holding guns at each other. Who does he take a shot at?

 

[Nap]

Yes, remove gun free zones, those zones have more guns and thus are more safe. OP says "problem solved".

Dayton shooter was dropped in like 30 seconds, he still killed 9 and wounded dozens. Good guy, in this case trained with firearms, right next to him, didn't stop the shooting before it did tremendous damage.

How much damage would the Dayton shooter have done if he had not been dropped in 30 seconds by someone with a firearm?

How does declaring an area a gun free zone prevent mass shootings? Has the rate of mass shootings increased or decreased since creating them?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Let's say I'm at a mall, at the movies and I'm carrying. Shooting starts and in my heroic moment I decide to pull out my weapon and start shooting. Now we have two shooters and people are running amok scared out of their minds. The cops come rushing in, in force. Even though I'm trying to stop the shooter, how do I convince the cops in that split second I'm the good guy? My guess, I don't they shoot me cause I have a weapon in my hands at the scene of a shooting.

Yep, if you are not in a position to immediately stop an active shooter then do not play hero and add to the chaos.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I like alcohol.

I've been known to drink, on occasion, myself.