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You may have been lucky so far. We'll see as it becomes more wide spread.
Actually, I saying the school should decide. And government whould allow it. Schools appose it as much as anyone.
College kids can barely handle a beer let alone a gun.
College professors on the other hand, being so liberal probably won't put bullets in it.
I would agree with that.
I understand your concern...
Arming teachers/students is just putting a band-aid on all the moral failures of our country. Maybe we should concentrate on not needing the guns anymore. Do we really want to send the message to our kids that you have to have a gun to be safe, even at school?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this what you think?
I'll help you out a little...
To all gun owners - Teachers and students have the right to a safe environment in which to learn, in this case I think it is up to the state to provide it.
The schools in Colorado that Ikari is referring to all make their own policies allowing guns on their campuses. Clearly they don’t “oppose it as much as anyone.”
I'm taking a rifle to class next fall just to piss off the anti-gun folk. This is ridiculous.
We took a vote here and all agreed we knew professors who shuld never touch a gun. And their politics wasn't even discussed.
If you do it on my campus, you'll be arrested.
Interesting; I assume that you just "knew" the professors, never having actually attended a class, for if you had, you probably would have failed considering your spelling.
You may have been lucky so far. We'll see as it becomes more wide spread.
I have, with what numbers we have. You have suggested we have other numbers, but have presented none that I'm aware of.
Actually, I saying the school should decide. And government whould allow it. Schools appose it as much as anyone.
Biased as much as anyone holding a position I would say.
Are you sure? Didn't the University of Colorado decide to ban guns on campus in 1994? Wasn't their decision one to ban guns? I haven't investigated the state completely, but my understanding is that others based their decisions on court rulings against the University. I suspect more court rulings will come in the future.
As for concelled weapons in general, I think schools are different, and thus deserve a different ruling.
Regent Policy for Universities in Colorado prohibits guns anywhere on campus to include parking lots.
State colleges can have their own policies so you will need to check with each individual college.
Yes and no...
The colleges that allow carry on campus http://shr.elpasoco.com/NR/rdonlyres/F76D99DA-0F2A-47A4-BA1B-B5FAFC289C5E/0/FAQHandout022310.pdf?
I'm sorry you don't like that the stats don't back you. I understand, which is why pro gun folks have to resort to trickery to boost their numbers. But, the fact is you are more likely to shoot yourself or someone close to you than a criminal statisitcally.
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Is it so difficult to understand that you're denying the very thing you're seeking to create by banning legal guns from a campus. Teachers and students DO want a safe enviroment and they should not have to be disarmed just because there's a sign saying that guns aren't allowed. For the millionth time, a responsibly carried gun is not a danger to anyone, except those who would seek to harm the carrier. (see my sig)
The CCW training argument doesn't sway me. I see too many jackasses with a CCW that should not be allowed to own a Super Soaker, much less CARRY a LOADED gun.
You can't learn to shoot discriminately across a room full of screaming kids while under fire at a 2 week course and one re-qual a year.
With any luck, you never will - because if you ever do, and you don't have one, you're in big trouble.It's about time. I don't know how many times I sat in class thinking to myself, "I could really use a gun right now".
Amazingly silly post.Yeah, this with guns would be totally awesome...
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Fort Collins is an open carry city. God I love my State. If we can just get Vermont style gun laws; it would be perfect. Well except for all the Texans and Californians who keep coming up here, trying to wreck up the place. Wish they'd just stay home.
Anecdotes and hyperbole are poor arguments to make. The evidence doesn't back you up...and I never used the term "CCW training" in my post.
The CCW training argument doesn't sway me. I see too many jackasses with a CCW that should not be allowed to own a Super Soaker, much less CARRY a LOADED gun.
You can't learn to shoot discriminately across a room full of screaming kids while under fire at a 2 week course and one re-qual a year.
Then on with it....
Do you think teachers/students should be given "real" instruction by local PDs or in places that offered realistic supplemental training to students at mil/LEO discount prices?
There are no "minor" incidents with guns. No whoops. And very rarely is it the dumbass that gets hurt.
Over the entire State of Colorado is not enough, huh? The thing that really gets me is that you make a base, statistical basis on why it shouldn't be allowed. These are generalized stats aggregated over the populace. So it doesn't matter if it's just Colorado or if it's the whole of the United States. If these are true probabilities for the system, then that's that. Thus if what you say is correct, given the number of students over the decades they have been allowed to carry weapons on Colorado Universities; we would have seen multiple cases of accidents, mishandlings, etc. Colorado isn't some po-dunk little backwards water state with 15 people in it. Every semester 10's of thousands of students come through each of our Universities. Over decades, how many students is that? Why then have we not seen a single incident of what you claim would happen if students were allowed to bring guns? Could we be "lucky", maybe but it's a lot lower probability then say, you being wrong with the dynamics of this system. Perhaps it is I who is right on this matter, that allowing guns in school is actually a null case and will have no real affect on crime or lead to a more or less dangerous campus.
But you don't even want to consider that. You want to say "you're lucky" and "well I think" blah blah blah. It didn't even cross your mind that maybe Colorado isn't as backwoods as you think it is, that we've had A LOT of students come through our university structure over the decades, that this has been allowed, that it produced no effect which is why you generally will not find news articles in it because it in fact produces no net affect and thus no news.
I admit, I see it as a no brainer. Not something that requires much research. But no, Colorado, the entire state, is not enough. It is at the bottom of the list as to where I would expect trouble. Dosen't mean it won't happen one day, but I see Chicago, New York, Dallas, Atlanta, as places more likely to see problmes. Larger urban areas.
And yes, it is early yet. It takes time for these things to be properly investigated. So there is not likley to be much on it YET.
Look it up. If what you say about these adults, their brain development, blah blah blah is true; you can certainly find news and data about students being accidently shot on campus in Colorado or some form of wild west shoot out in a free speech center. What does the lack of news tell you?
Not much. A search of students accidentally shooting themselves does produce results. How about you look?
Should the students or reality have any say in the matter?
Students don't own, run or hold liability at the school. Nor do they really face much of any kind of saftey concerns that would warrant having a gun.
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