Texas school official tells teachers that Holocaust books should be countered with ‘opposing’ views

[Hatuey]

I wanna hear the good people on both sides argument to The Holocaust.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Holocaust minimization is Holocaust denial. You are engaged in Holocaust denial.

No, I'm not minimizing it at all, I am very concerned about the Palestinians holocaust, its a very grave and serious matter IMO.
I dont want to seem like I'm minimizing it.
I stand with the Palestinians.

 

[ecofarm]

I dont want to seem like I'm minimizing it.

You are. Pretending anything compares is.

Never again.

 

[Hatuey]

I dont want to seem like I'm minimizing the Holocaust, says guy who doesnt capitalize Holocaust, and uses it as a common noun.

 

[ClaraD]

From your own link....

that came after they said it....how do you mistakenly say that you need an opposing view to the Holocaust? You don't....they apologized after the outrage.

 

[ClaraD]

I would think it would almost be a must to present the Nazi rationale. The kids need to understand how a nation can be bullied and buffaloed into something so heinous and its people be convinced to believe that it is the right thing.

If they see similarities to our present day United States, they should see them on their own, not be led by an agendized teacher with no balancing viewpoint presented.

to present why it is wrong? Yes.....although we don't teach information about the horrors of our own Holocaust of Native Americans....nor the shame that goes along with that.

 

[ClaraD]

You are. Pretending anything compares is.

Never again.

there is one that compares. What we did to Native American Indians.

 

[snakestretcher]

My theory is that MAGA has driven the Texas GQP stark raving mad. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the citizens to notice.

The citizens elected them. What does that say about them?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

This is a result of Texas House Bill 3979
Opposing views would include Holocaust deniers is one way to interpret this. That would not go well.
Another is the Law is an an attack on facts
Educators are cowed by this law.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/10/15/holocaust-texas-school-books-opposing/

One individual said this and was immediately rebuked by the school district. A non story a non issue and a desperate attempt to trash Texas.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

One individual said this and was immediately rebuked by the school district. A non story a non issue and a desperate attempt to trash Texas.

It looks as though you've posted some sort of a Youtube there in #59.

Is that what that is, a Youtube?

 

[snakestretcher]

And every historical course presents the Nazi rationale. But some people want the teachers to stay silent if some kids adopt such rationale based on whatever trash they find in internet.

I haven't read a single scholarly treatise on Nazis, Hitler and the Holocaust which doesn't mention Versailles, punitive post-WW1 reparations, Hitler's populist opportunism, and promises to MGGA (Make Germany Great Again). For a nation struggling with near-starvation (800,000 died in 1918), rampant inflation and poverty Hitler's rhetoric must have sounded like manna from heaven. The harsh reality of the anti-Semitic genocide only dawned when it was too late for decent Germans to protest-and risk a nasty death.

 

[snakestretcher]

One individual said this and was immediately rebuked by the school district. A non story a non issue and a desperate attempt to trash Texas.

Texas doesn't need any help in trashing itself. Abbott and his acolytes are already doing a grand job.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

It looks as though you've posted some sort of a Youtube there in #59.

Is that what that is, a Youtube?

Funny song just to "liten" the mood.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I would think it would almost be a must to present the Nazi rationale. The kids need to understand how a nation can be bullied and buffaloed into something so heinous and its people be convinced to believe that it is the right thing.

They can learn that just by current events. Just look at how some folks glommed onto the Reality TeeVee host for instance.
Many are perfectly willing, actually eager, to cast aside Democracy in favor of a boorish bloviating turd like donnie trump.

I would predict in the future students will be taught about the donnie trump debacle as an example of how some folks are so easily misled and manipulated. The guy wasnt even an effective or inspiring speaker like Hitler, in fact donnie trump sounded like a complete imbecile when he attempted to speak.
I hope they learn their lessons well.

 

[Beau Beasley]

Can you enlighten me here, does this forum take all the holocaust claims as judicial fact or is it just you who requires everyone to believe as you do?

 

[Carjosse]

Can you enlighten me here, does this forum take all the holocaust claims as judicial fact or is it just you who requires everyone to believe as you do?

I think you would be much more at home at Storefront instead of polluting this forum with your anti-semitism.

You don't belong here.

 

[seymourflops]

They can learn that just by current events. Just look at how some folks glommed onto the Reality TeeVee host for instance.
Many are perfectly willing, actually eager, to cast aside Democracy in favor of a boorish bloviating turd like donnie trump.

I would predict in the future students will be taught about the donnie trump debacle as an example of how some folks are so easily misled and manipulated. The guy wasnt even an effective or inspiring speaker like Hitler, in fact donnie trump sounded like a complete imbecile when he attempted to speak.
I hope they learn their lessons well.

In the future, if that become established political fact, they will be.

In Texas currently, if a teacher wants to present that "information," she will have to present more than one viewpoint, since Trump is part of a current political and/or social controversy and debate.

 

[seymourflops]

to present why it is wrong? Yes.....although we don't teach information about the horrors of our own Holocaust of Native Americans....nor the shame that goes along with that.

Really? I remember clearly learning about that in High School. Also the evils of slavery and the atrocity of the Japanese-American camps.

That was the seventies, though. Schools today may be too busy teaching about the environment and the LGBTQ+ movement to have time for history.

 

[j brown's body]

In the future, if that become established political fact, they will be.

In Texas currently, if a teacher wants to present that "information," she will have to present more than one viewpoint, since Trump is part of a current political and/or social controversy and debate.

I find that giving Trump's point of view on an issue tends to undermine it.

 

[j brown's body]

Really? I remember clearly learning about that in High School. Also the evils of slavery and the atrocity of the Japanese-American camps.

That was the seventies, though. Schools today may be too busy teaching about the environment and the LGBTQ+ movement to have time for history.

Amazingly, most white Americans and many others still do not know that slavery and its extention was the major cause of the Civil War.

 

[seymourflops]

I find that giving Trumos point of view on an issue tends to undermine it.

Well, yes.

If you give a hyperbolic parody of another person's point of view as if it were that person's true point of view, it tends to undermine it.

 

[seymourflops]

Amazingly, most white Americans and many others still do not know that slavery and its extention was the major cause of the Civil War.

Our public schools are not what they used to be.

 

[pnut]

The victor will always be the judge, and the vanquished the accused. Hermann Goring, Nuremburg OR
History is written by the victors, attributed to Winston Churchill, but he wasn't the first to say it.

I think it's extremely important to present history with alternate points of view in schools. It's the only way to ensure that children are not victims of propaganda and achieve a certain clarity, even if that clarity merely proves the vagaries of historical accounts and the conflicting nature of historical context. There are historical figures and events that are immensely unpopular and some very popular. Regardless, it's important that we do our best to present ideas that inspire students to be thoughtful in their analysis of the past, and hopefully that will translate into being more discerning about their present world. Thanks!!

History should not have a point of view. Facts are facts.

 

[j brown's body]

One individual said this and was immediately rebuked by the school district. A non story a non issue and a desperate attempt to trash Texas.

I suspect it was rebuked it was because it isn't considered a “widely debated and currently controversial” issue.

But what if a group insisted that it was? Holocaust deniers exist today and consider it to be debatable and currently controversial. What stops any group with hairbrained ideas from insisting that their point of view be included in the classroom?

This is a nightmare.

 

[uptower]

Other perspectives? Holocaust denial? Holocaust cheering. **** Texas and **** the GOP.


Evil really is the point.

This time they didn’t even bother with the backdoor route some right wingers try on us here at DB, about the “benefits” of slavery. Nope, straight for the ovens and gas chambers.