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Texas GOP calls for referendum on secession

FurriesRock said:
Only simpletons think such matters are just black and white.
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When the 13 colonies fought to be independent from England, did they want to be English?
 
rahl said:
Nope. This was settled quite a while ago. States do not have any ability or mechanism with which to secede, absent the complete dissolution of the US, or with the consent of congress and the remaining states.

Texas v White
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If it was settled, then Texas wouldn't be talking about it. LOL

Britain thought it's ownership of the colonies was settled too. Tell me, how did that turn out?
 
FurriesRock said:
I don't want to write a wall of text, so I'll use just a few historical examples.

Reagan's attack on air traffic controllers.

The passing of the Patriot Act, which happened with D and R support.

Obamacare, which was a complete joke which tried to force people to get medical insurance. They should have just passed healthcare for all.

The fact that the No fly list exists!

Okay, I'm going to end it here, but I think you get my point.
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LMAO... Would a Republic of Texas be more or less oppressive?
 
There is no language in the Constitution about secession, no standards for when a state may secede, and no process for one to do so.
 
BlueTex said:
Do you honestly believe the other states would vote to allow Texas to leave the union? If Texas did leave, the GQP will never hold the presidency again.. ALL 38 electoral votes from Texas would go away...
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And we don't need to change the flag if we just bring in Puerto Rico in its place.
 
FurriesRock said:
If it was settled, then Texas wouldn't be talking about it. LOL

Britain thought it's ownership of the colonies was settled too. Tell me, how did that turn out?
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Politicians love to talk about stuff that will never happen...
 
Gatsby said:
This is not to be confused with the Texas GOP's other resolution rejecting a democratic election, or their resolution calling LGB lifestyles abnormal. They are on a roll this week.
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It would be fascinating if any of these major right-wing states ever actually left the union. Picture what would happen in Texas did, and managed to negotiate a peaceful exit. That would immediately subtract 38 electoral votes that reliably go Republican, making winning the presidency extremely difficult for any Republican. It would also make it harder to win either house of Congress. And assuming the exit settlement allowed for some movement of people prior to secession, it would be even more extreme than that. A lot of minorities and liberals in Texas would see the writing on the wall and get the hell out of Texas before they wound up prisoners of a wingnut Republic. Meanwhile, some of the hardest-right people in other states would relocate to Texas. There's a good chance the net movement would be enough to push a couple states (FL, NC, OH?) from the red column to the blue one.

Of course, things would be more complicated than that, since if Texas left, some others might, as well. It's hard to see Oklahoma and Arkansas sticking with the Union instead of the neo-confederates in Texas. That would push things even farther left in the remaining nation, to the point that a politician anything like the current batch of Republicans would have no chance of winning the presidency, and anything like the current GOP would have no chance of winning either house of Congress. And, of course, with that realization, it would be hard to stop red states in general from going with TX.... along with a massive brain drain going from there to the blue states.

So, it's tough to see TX leaving without it being part of a total unwinding of the US into two major blocks.
 
BlueTex said:
If you are republican from one of the other 49 states, would you be comfortable losing Texas' 38 electoral votes?
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That's the thing, Texas Republicans would get so much pressure to stick around from Republicans outside their state that it is difficult to imagine this happening.

Personally, I'd be fine with kicking them out of the union. they can take the Deep South with them, too. Saves the rest of us a lot of trouble.
 
If it were to be done, I think they'd need to carve off some of Texas and redraw it's border. And I'll bet Oklahoma would vote to go with Texas. Which might cause and exodus of the stupid like Mississippi and Alabama.
 
BlueTex said:
Do you have any idea the economic consequences that would happen in Texas?
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I wouldn't mind seeing conservatives finally being able to fully implement their economic system and watch it crash. There is no other way they'd learn how much trash their economics are.
 
Texas wants to secede?

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poweRob said:
If it were to be done, I think they'd need to carve off some of Texas and redraw it's border. And I'll bet Oklahoma would vote to go with Texas. Which might cause and exodus of the stupid like Mississippi and Alabama.
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Those states in particular would be such a burden upon a seceded state.
 
Nutters going to Nutter 🤷‍♂️
any secession by them would end in complete failure
 
Mina said:
It would be fascinating if any of these major right-wing states ever actually left the union. Picture what would happen in Texas did, and managed to negotiate a peaceful exit. That would immediately subtract 38 electoral votes that reliably go Republican, making winning the presidency extremely difficult for any Republican. It would also make it harder to win either house of Congress. And assuming the exit settlement allowed for some movement of people prior to secession, it would be even more extreme than that. A lot of minorities and liberals in Texas would see the writing on the wall and get the hell out of Texas before they wound up prisoners of a wingnut Republic. Meanwhile, some of the hardest-right people in other states would relocate to Texas. There's a good chance the net movement would be enough to push a couple states (FL, NC, OH?) from the red column to the blue one.

Of course, things would be more complicated than that, since if Texas left, some others might, as well. It's hard to see Oklahoma and Arkansas sticking with the Union instead of the neo-confederates in Texas. That would push things even farther left in the remaining nation, to the point that a politician anything like the current batch of Republicans would have no chance of winning the presidency, and anything like the current GOP would have no chance of winning either house of Congress. And, of course, with that realization, it would be hard to stop red states in general from going with TX.... along with a massive brain drain going from there to the blue states.

So, it's tough to see TX leaving without it being part of a total unwinding of the US into two major blocks.
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Then maybe we could get some things done.
 
This... except Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Virginia would be in The United States of Canada. And maybe North Carolina.

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Then watch how people in Jesusland will have to afford all the Hurricane damage costs on their own and then flood damage up Dakotas way.
 
Gatsby said:
This is not to be confused with the Texas GOP's other resolution rejecting a democratic election, or their resolution calling LGB lifestyles abnormal. They are on a roll this week.
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This is fantastic news.
 
Gatsby said:
I love living in Austin during the cold half of the year, and I hope I never have to leave because Texas does something insane like try to secede. But if they ever got their wish and became an independent country, Texas would be an authoritarian rogue state within a few years. But with lots more guns.
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You mean like the Biden administration?
 
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