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Texas Considers Posting Ten Commandments in Public Schools

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Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?

Texas Considers Posting Ten Commandments in Public Schools​

After the old paradigm of some sort of “wall” that should “separate church and state” was successfully demolished last year, the Texas State Senate Education Committee is considering a bill this week to put the Ten Commandments back into the state’s public schools.

The bill is brief and to the point:
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
A public elementary or secondary school shall display in a conspicuous place in each classroom of the school a durable poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments … [to] include the text of the Ten Commandments … that is legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom….
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The text of the poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments … must read as follows:

The Ten Commandments
I AM the LORD thy God.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make to thyself any graven images.
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor ’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his cattle, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.
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Texas public schools that don’t have such a poster may accept one from a private donor. And the postings would apply with the start of classes in September.

Andrew Seidel, an attorney at the Freedom From Religion Foundation, weighed in on a similar bill offered in Texas in 2019. Such a display, according to Seidel, would be “illegal.”

Fortunately for freedom of religion, the jurisprudence that ruled in 2019 has shifted significantly.
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Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
 
As far as commandments go, if’s a pretty crappy list. I prefer the updated list found in Matthew 22.
 
Somerville said:
Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?







Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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Make that the 9 Commandments for Texas. Can't have a "Thou shalt not kill" commandment while they're trying to arm everyone....
 
Somerville said:
Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?







Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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Why do these republicans keep trying to shove their religious beliefs down my throat? I completely reject the idea of some all powerful invisible entity called god.

Keep your frigging worshiping to yourselves I don't want any.
 
Just imagine overlaying those commandments with how their new lord & master (Trump) lives his life. I don't get how they can rationalize the hypocrisy of saying they support both the commandments and Trump??
 
What an exercise in Christian nationalist propaganda.
 
j brown's body said:
What an exercise in Christian nationalist propaganda.
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Ten commandments are from the Jewish/Hebrew tradition. Most Jews I know are democrats... just saying.


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Somerville said:
Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?







Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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Somerville said:
Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?







Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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It would seem Texas feels empowered to violate the separation of church and state. What's next? Forcing prayer in public schools?
 
Blue Dog said:
If this law passes, it will provide an opportunity for the SC to revisit the 1st amendment….
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I believe the “revisit” issue is why more than one law is being proposed in the Several States. Apparently DeSantis wants a crack at New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.
 
Bok Tuklo said:
I believe the “revisit” issue is why more than one law is being proposed in the Several States. Apparently DeSantis wants a crack at New York Times Co. v. Sullivan.
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Agreed. There are five “conservative” activists looking to reinterpret the Constitution….
 
Told ya. All of their bills as of late come down to making us a Christian Nation with all the trimmings. It's complete and utter bullshit that we're moving in this direction and they have the Scotus to back their asses up now. It's going to be a fight, don't think it won't.
 
Ginger Ale said:
Told ya. All of their bills as of late come down to making us a Christian Nation with all the trimmings. It's complete and utter bullshit that we're moving in this direction and they have the Scotus to back their asses up now. It's going to be a fight, don't think it won't.
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That's right, and the next generation isn't going to stand for this nonsense. If we don't stack the SCOTUS, they will.
 
Somerville said:
Is this proposed new law in Texas a violation of the First Amendment?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Will the present conservative-controlled Supreme Court allow this law to become legal?







Why would the bill use the words of the King James Version and not those from the Revised Standard Version which is a more accurate translation of the original archaic Hebrew? The phrasing provided seems to show Twelve Commandments - not Ten.

The totality of the Second Commandment is a bit of a problem for those who believe in the innocence of the young.

"4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments."
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As long as they are not promoting it as the one true religion I believe they are fine to have them in schools. Freedom of religion was to protect people from being forced to worship who the state tells you to. I.dont believe the intent was ever to exclude all references to a God in government places.

FTR I am a unappologetic atheist and I have no problem with it.

I do however agree that "in God we trust" is inappropriate and it should be removed from the pledge.
 
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