`After reading this quote from her, it's obvious what is going on here.“I was told that the way I dressed and moved my body was causing men to think inappropriately about me, implying that it is my responsibility to control other people’s thoughts and drives,” Clare writes in her blog post. “I’m not responsible for some perverted 45 year old dad lusting after me because I have a sparkly dress on and a big ass for a teenager. And if you think I am, then maybe you’re part of the problem.”This self absorbed little girl needs to get over herself. As to the various "sources" who made it news to pimp their agenda, I say shame on you.Obviously, there is far more to the story, but that would kill the meme they are trying to spread.
And yeah, people all over the political spectrum often impose their viewpoints on others. It's a part of human nature, and as long as it's not taken too far, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, in many situations social pressure to conform to community norms can be a good thing and at a minimum, learning how to get along (or at least go along) with people who are different than you are is a worthy skill for a young person to cultivate. In this case, even if the girls story is 100% accurate, I don't think there are any grounds for a lawsuit. It would merely be a lesson learned for this girl. Even if her story isn't accurate, it's still a lesson for her.
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You really need to get over yourself. This is a 17 year old girl. If she voiced her opinion in a manner that enrages you, you can thank the Christian home schooling she got. It's the same story here, ridged "confirmation bias" and "epistemic closure."
And from the reports, which I admit are one-sided, the girl wasn't asked to leave because she broke any rules. It was because her behavior might cause the boys to have impure thoughts.
In thinking (and re-reading), it seems possible the reason wasn't that it'd cause "impure thoughts," but maybe was for dancing/dress code and Claire added the impure thoughts (be it on purpose, or just why she thought it was, or a mix). Consider she brings up looking hot (but not trashy!) and later how she has a big butt. Also about being curvy, though I'd have to check again but I think that and the long legs were both in explaining how it can be hard to find a dress, though arguably the curvy may not need to be in there (is it really needed for the story?).
How it is written, she makes it sound as though when they got there and saw the dads on the balcony, her first that was they were only there to ogle her/other girls.To me, and again that may not be what she was meaning it to come off as, she assumed she was hot and thus guys would be checking her out. So, lets say Mrs. D does later come and tell her she needs to tone down the dancing (be it if Claire is lying about just swaying, or telling the truth), it seemed possible that Claire could take that as she is turning the guys on ("causing impure thoughts," which by the way is great wording if you are trying to get your post to get reposted, since it sounds like religious phrasing).
I'll admit I'm bias, in part because the story seems somewhat unbelievable and one-sided, in part because Claire's apparently first thoughts were "Rape culture!" "Patriarchy!", and in part because it just doesn't sound like the whole story/truth.
Some more supposed witness accounts, sadly most (I've found) are either blogs or people commenting to an article/blog so it is hard to say they are who they say they are:
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?
It is possible that she has not accurately reported the events, either because her own viewpoint (and possibly vanity) prevents her from seeing them accurately, or even because she is outright lying. However, even if we take the least flattering portrait of her behavior, we have a girl who wore a dress that was within the rules, and who danced "inappropriately".
Unless she was "twerking" (doubtful, given the cut of the dress) or grabbing her crotch and breasts, it doesn't seem like a big enough problem for expulsion from the prom.
the story seems somewhat unbelievable and one-sided, in part because Claire's apparently first thoughts were "Rape culture!" "Patriarchy!", and in part because it just doesn't sound like the whole story/truth.
`<snip><unsnip>Some more supposed witness accounts, sadly most (I've found) are either blogs or people commenting to an article/blog so it is hard to say they are who they say they are:
A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?A Girl Named Alexa: Victimization or Twisted Narrative?
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.
Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.
In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.
While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable." - Source
What's wrong with this picture?
LOL!!!... Just because some men are in high positions doesn't automatically mean they are gentlemen away from public attention.
LOL, I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions.
White's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are many such clubs in the UK, Boodle's and Brook's are two other well known such establishments. They are simply places gentlemen might go to escape the bustle of a big city - Author and publisher Tom Stacey, who has been a White's member for 40 years, describes it is a "refuge".
"You can be completely unselfconscious. You are among people you have grown up with, people you went to school with. You speak the same instinctive language. It is not snobbish. It just allows you to relax."
My dad was a member of White's, and I have been there as a small boy - I can assure you the atmosphere is the very soul of decorum (although I found it also incredibly boring),
LOL!!!... Just because some men are in high positions doesn't automatically mean they are gentlemen away from public attention.
I'm not sure quite what you are attempting to refute. I simply stated that 'gentlemen's clubs' are a different animal in the UK, and are not seedy venues, regardless of the membership. Surely you have similar establishments in the USA?
Yes. The general term with which I'm familiar is "private club." From Wiki (scroll down for a list of U.S. clubs similar to the ones in Britain to which you're referring):
In the United States, the term "gentlemen's club" commonly is used to refer euphemistically to strip clubs. As a result, traditional gentlemen's clubs often are referred to as "men's clubs" or "city clubs" (as opposed to country clubs) or simply as "private social clubs" or just "private clubs". Gentlemen's club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oops, yeah, I didn't realize that in Europe the term actually is a little more respectable.LOL, thanks! I didn't know that 'gentleman's club' was an euphemism for a 'strip joint' in the USA.I guess, despite all our tradition, we are a little more down to earth on this side of the pond. For example, we call an arse 'an arse', not a donkey.
LOL, thanks! I didn't know that 'gentleman's club' was an euphemism for a 'strip joint' in the USA.I guess, despite all our tradition, we are a little more down to earth on this side of the pond. For example, we call an arse 'an arse', not a donkey.
Well, we don't misspell "ass" anyway. :lol:
A hoofed mammal of the horse family, which is typically smaller than a horse and has longer ears and a braying call.
Genus Equus, family Equidae: E. africanus of Africa, which is the ancestor of the domestic ass or donkey, and E. hemionus of Asia
Maybe the girls should accommodate.If the dads are experiencing "impure" thoughts about the teenage girls, then perhaps they shouldn't be there at the prom cramping the girls' style? :mrgreen:
Maybe the girls should accommodate.
Did I just channel Gipper? :mrgreen:
"American Taliban: A 17-year-old girl was ejected from her prom in Virginia after several fathers in attendance complained about experiencing “impure thoughts” towards the teen.
Despite wearing dress code-appropriate clothing to the Richmond Homeschool Prom, Clare Ettinger reports she was removed from the dance for homeschooled teens because she aroused “impure thoughts” in some of the adult male chaperones.
In a guest post on her sister’s blog, Clare reports how one of the women organizing the dance disapproved of her dress, even after checking to see it met the “fingertip length” dress code requirement. Later the same chaperone who had complained about Clare’s dress pulled her aside to tell her that some of the dads felt her presence was “too provocative” and liable to cause “impure thoughts” among the males in attendance.
While in the ballroom, Clare reports a group of dads on a balcony above the dance floor were “ogling” the teen girls in attendance, making Clare and her friends feel uncomfortable." - Source
What's wrong with this picture?
That's just what the teen accuses. Sorry if I find the word of a teenager who was kicked out of a dance to be highly suspicious. For all we know she was acting like a brat or something and ruining everyone's night.
For all we know it didn't happen at all - or that one woman had a serious issues and made that all up (I don't trust adults, either).
The LAST THING I think actually happened was a bunch of dads walked up to some woman and said "See that girl - I want to **** her" - like they're some sort of pedophiles. Men don't go around announcing that crap. I'd be stunned as hell if that REALLY happened the way she accuses and men actually voiced that. Total BS to me.
That's just what the teen accuses. Sorry if I find the word of a teenager who was kicked out of a dance to be highly suspicious. For all we know she was acting like a brat or something and ruining everyone's night.
For all we know it didn't happen at all - or that one woman had a serious issues and made that all up (I don't trust adults, either).
The LAST THING I think actually happened was a bunch of dads walked up to some woman and said "See that girl - I want to **** her" - like they're some sort of pedophiles. Men don't go around announcing that crap. I'd be stunned as hell if that REALLY happened the way she accuses and men actually voiced that. Total BS to me.
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