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Teacher beat to death by mob of Muslim students in her classroom

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


You wanna go quote for quote of murder, rape, genocide, and infanticide in the bible vs the koran?

No, I do not. I agree there is some wicked sh.it in the bible. If you want to post a thread about the bible, fine.
This story is about muslims killing not christains killing, I think you are trying to change the subject. Please try to stay on topic. ~ Sgt Rock
 
No, I do not. I agree there is some wicked sh.it in the bible. If you want to post a thread about the bible, fine.
This story is about muslims killing not christains killing, I think you are trying to change the subject. Please try to stay on topic. ~ Sgt Rock

Yes, but you are singling out Muslims here and blaming them for having such harsh beliefs when Christians have just as harsh beliefs. Yet not all Christians are complete maniacs. The same is true for Muslims. Yet you still group them together and make judgments about them based on the minority of extremists. That is why it is relevant to the topic.
 
Yes, but you are singling out Muslims here and blaming them for having such harsh beliefs when Christians have just as harsh beliefs. Yet not all Christians are complete maniacs. The same is true for Muslims. Yet you still group them together and make judgments about them based on the minority of extremists. That is why it is relevant to the topic.


What I am trying to say is the extreamist believe that those peacefull muslims are not good muslims because they do not wage Jihad for Allahs cause. It is required.
 
Anyway the topic in this thread is about school girls beating, burning, and dismembering there teacher. I cannot help but become angry when I read things like this. ~ Sgt Rock
 
What I am trying to say is the extreamist believe that those peacefull muslims are not good muslims because they do not wage Jihad for Allahs cause. It is required.

I guess I don't really see what the point of this debate is. I think we can all agree that extremists are bad, regardless of what their cause is (religion, politics, etc.) What makes Muslims somehow worse? Already in the US many people have negative views of Muslims based on the minority of extremists. It's like WWII all over again with our negative view of Japanese people. It's really too bad that we didn't learn the first time around.
 
No, I do not. I agree there is some wicked sh.it in the bible. If you want to post a thread about the bible, fine.
This story is about muslims killing not christains killing, I think you are trying to change the subject. Please try to stay on topic. ~ Sgt Rock

You have made the statement that peaceful Muslims aren't really Muslims, and you've quoted passages from their book to 'prove' that Islam is *supposed* to be a murderous religion.

I am simply providing you the same evidence for Christians. If one believes that Muslims SHOULD be non-peaceful and a peaceful Muslim is not really a Muslim, the same must follow for peaceful Christians since the same type of texts can be found in their holy book.

Therefore, if you want to argue that Islam is a violent religion and its holy book teaches and condones violence, you must accept the same argument with regard to Christianity and their holy book.

If you accept the same argument, fine. But why then single out Muslims instead of targeting both equally violent books?

If you do not accept the same arguement, then you display hypocrisy. In which case we should clarify why violent commands in the bible are "okay" and violent commands in the koran are not.
 
What I am trying to say is the extreamist believe that those peacefull muslims are not good muslims because they do not wage Jihad for Allahs cause. It is required.

Jeez, how about that? What a coincidence. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and many like them, are saying the same thing - That good Christians need to fight and kill in the Middle East to help bring about Armageddon. Small world, ain't it?
 
You have made the statement that peaceful Muslims aren't really Muslims, and you've quoted passages from their book to 'prove' that Islam is *supposed* to be a murderous religion.

I am simply providing you the same evidence for Christians. If one believes that Muslims SHOULD be non-peaceful and a peaceful Muslim is not really a Muslim, the same must follow for peaceful Christians since the same type of texts can be found in their holy book.

Therefore, if you want to argue that Islam is a violent religion and its holy book teaches and condones violence, you must accept the same argument with regard to Christianity and their holy book.

If you accept the same argument, fine. But why then single out Muslims instead of targeting both equally violent books?

If you do not accept the same arguement, then you display hypocrisy. In which case we should clarify why violent commands in the bible are "okay" and violent commands in the koran are not.

Ok, I accept it. Why am I singleing out muslims you ask. Because TODAY muslim school girls are beating, burning, and dismembering there school teacher. Are we not living in the 21st century? The crusades are over. The Dark ages are over. Should we just accept what is happening with muslims today? Should we make excusses for it by saying " muslims are just going through there dark ages? I will not make excusses for there behavior ~ Sgt Rock
 
While the action is indefensible, instead of keeping it to the little girls and their sad state of indocterination, or keeping it to the sect of those twisting the religion to obtain political goals; you blame the whole of the religion. By calling peaceful Muslims bad Muslims because they go against their basic tenets, you attack the base of the religion and condemn it. If that is going to be the case, then it can be shown that all religion has done this and that all religion has within its text rather violent commands. Yet Christianity has broken through this, and has changed to become peaceful, as with any religion which went through a violent period.

Thus, instead of attacking the whole of the religion, condemning it and perhaps fueling the fire; we keep it to the individual level. Not excusing the behavior, but condemning the individuals whom twist the religion to obtain a goal. Noting that in time, the whole of the Muslim religion will settle as others have done.
 
Every religion has its dark side, because religions were invented by man, not God.

But this is where everyone seems to want to dismiss the issues at hand.

Every religion does have it's dark side and Christianity has been as ruthless as any in history. But what is Christianity's saving grace? What is the one pure example on how to properly behave towards your fellow man?

Now what is Islam's example?

This is what has plagued Islam for 14 centuries and what will continue to encourage the confusion of Islam's identity long into the future.
 
Jeez, how about that? What a coincidence. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and many like them, are saying the same thing - That good Christians need to fight and kill in the Middle East to help bring about Armageddon. Small world, ain't it?

They may be saying that I do not know. Are there christians blowing themselfs up in crowded market places killing men, women, and children? Are there christians sawing peoples heads off while screaming God is great? Are there Christian school girls brutally murdering there teacher in the name of god?

Wake up. Stop being an apologist for evil muslims.
 
They may be saying that I do not know. Are there christians blowing themselfs up in crowded market places killing men, women, and children? Are there christians sawing peoples heads off while screaming God is great? Are there Christian school girls brutally murdering there teacher in the name of god?

Wake up. Stop being an apologist for evil muslims.

If you want a scapegoat, use civilization. Before Christian culture was fully civilized is when they were ruthless. A majority of Muslims don't live in a culture as civilized or progressive as ours, which is why this kind of stuff is still going on over there. You can't blame all Muslims for the actions of the minority of extremists.
 
Ok, I accept it. Why am I singleing out muslims you ask. Because TODAY muslim school girls are beating, burning, and dismembering there school teacher. Are we not living in the 21st century? The crusades are over. The Dark ages are over. Should we just accept what is happening with muslims today? Should we make excusses for it by saying " muslims are just going through there dark ages? I will not make excusses for there behavior ~ Sgt Rock

So peaceful Christians aren't really Christians at all, right? Since they're not following the literal words in the bible?

Anywho... who said anything about accepting violent acts by anyone? My objection to your posts and your stance on the subject is your seemingly bigoted attitude towards ALL Muslims.

Personally, I make no distinction between radical religious nutcases. I am trying to figure out why you do, and why you insist that we all should. One radical religious nutcase is as bad as another.

So, when we point out the failings of Christianity, it is not an excuse for a member of any other religion to commit a terrible act. Instead, it is in direct response to the attitude that ALL members of a religion must believe/act the same as the radical nutcases.

If you would like us to stop comparing violent acts commited by Christians to violent acts commited by Muslims, then please stop with the sweeping generalizations regarding "all Muslims" and the ignorant accusations that peaceful Muslims aren't really Muslim at all.

Perhaps instead we should just discuss the horror of such violent acts being commited by people against other people.
 
If you want a scapegoat, use civilization. Before Christian culture was fully civilized is when they were ruthless. A majority of Muslims don't live in a culture as civilized or progressive as ours, which is why this kind of stuff is still going on over there. You can't blame all Muslims for the actions of the minority of extremists.

How do explain the 911 highjackers? Most of whom were educated and came from upper class civilized families. Osama bi Laden is a perfect example.
 
Ok, I accept it. Why am I singleing out muslims you ask. Because TODAY muslim school girls are beating, burning, and dismembering there school teacher. Are we not living in the 21st century? The crusades are over. The Dark ages are over. Should we just accept what is happening with muslims today? Should we make excusses for it by saying " muslims are just going through there dark ages? I will not make excusses for there behavior ~ Sgt Rock

I hear ya. The muslims have never left the "dark ages." They have always done this from the start of the religion with muhammed. This is nothing new, their "war" has just finally hit american shores. Islam is not referred to the religion of the sword for nothing. The peaceful islam of america is not true islam just like the violent christianity we see some places is not true biblical christianity.
 
So peaceful Christians aren't really Christians at all, right? Since they're not following the literal words in the bible?

No. More devout Christians follow the example set forth by Jesus Christ. If we conducted our lives in accordance to the Bible alone, we may as well be folowing the Qu'ran.
 
How do explain the 911 highjackers? Most of whom were educated and came from upper class civilized families. Osama bi Laden is a perfect example.

People in upper class civilized families can still be extremists. I'm just saying that a lower civilization can lend itself to extremism as well. That is why Christians used to be far more extreme in the dark ages.
 
How do explain the 911 highjackers? Most of whom were educated and came from upper class civilized families. Osama bi Laden is a perfect example.

Radical Islam is an intentional religious insurgency spread through a variety of means. The cancer of Radical Islam grows where socio-economic conditions are poor; governments are repressive and unable to provide essential social services, such as providing adequate oversight of their educational system….or have allowed/sanctioned Radical Islamic curricula.

Islamic fundamentalism has given an aim and form to the otherwise aimless and formless resentment and anger of the Muslim masses at the forces that have devalued their traditional values and loyalties and, in the final analysis, robbed them of their beliefs, their aspirations, their dignity, and to an increasing extent even their livelihood. Frustrated by the complete inability to exert any discernible degree of control over their immediate circumstances, frustrated adherents of Radical Islam, goaded by Radical Islamic Clerics, will resort to terrorism as the only avenue to effect religious, social, political, and economic change.

Armed with an ideological foundation, making the leap to Islamic-inspired terrorism requires only a charismatic leader for direction, continued social pressures to solidify the will, and the means (weapons, money) to conduct terrorist acts.

This is where Osama Bin ladden and so many others come in. The educated and wealthy are as jobless and futureless as the masses underneath them. They are convinced that the greatest life they could live is in service to God. This being said, they motivate the miserable and directionless and use them for their purposes.

And all they have to do is reflect on the life of the Prophet. They do not need the Qu'ran.
 
No. More devout Christians follow the example set forth by Jesus Christ. If we conducted our lives in accordance to the Bible alone, we may as well be folowing the Qu'ran.

You do realize that Jesus is a prophet in Islam, don't you? Why doesn't the same apply to Muslims then? If it applies to Christians, it applies to Muslims.

The two religions are so closely intwined it's difficult to tell them apart.
 
So peaceful Christians aren't really Christians at all, right? Since they're not following the literal words in the bible?

Anywho... who said anything about accepting violent acts by anyone? My objection to your posts and your stance on the subject is your seemingly bigoted attitude towards ALL Muslims.

Personally, I make no distinction between radical religious nutcases. I am trying to figure out why you do, and why you insist that we all should. One radical religious nutcase is as bad as another.

So, when we point out the failings of Christianity, it is not an excuse for a member of any other religion to commit a terrible act. Instead, it is in direct response to the attitude that ALL members of a religion must believe/act the same as the radical nutcases.

If you would like us to stop comparing violent acts commited by Christians to violent acts commited by Muslims, then please stop with the sweeping generalizations regarding "all Muslims" and the ignorant accusations that peaceful Muslims aren't really Muslim at all.

Perhaps instead we should just discuss the horror of such violent acts being commited by people against other people.

You tell me how can I tell the difference between a good muslim and a bad muslim. Deceit is accepted in Islam. In other words it is ok to lie. In fact a good muslim lies to his enemies.

A perfect example is Yasir Arafat or Amadineajad both of these men are masters at speaking out of both sides of there mouth.

Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.'"

Qur'an 5:41 "Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them."

I will trust no muslim, in my opinion it would be foolish to do so. You can call me a bigot or Islamaphobe if you wish. That will not change my opinion.
 
There is nothing wrong with Muslims as a whole. The whole group is not full of hate.

Except that they belong to a "religion of peace" created in bloodshed, with a bible that preaches about slaughering infidels, and entrenched in self-initiated violence in every corner of the world
 
People in upper class civilized families can still be extremists. I'm just saying that a lower civilization can lend itself to extremism as well. That is why Christians used to be far more extreme in the dark ages.

Very true.

The 16th century saw Europe rip itself apart. Up until this point the Catholic Church dictated to the masses what the Latin verses said and meant. King James interpreted the Bible into the language of the poor and this began to empower them. With the invention of the Mobile Printing Press, such interpretations began to gain speed and Christianity began to transform and question the Church. These protestors would eventually form the Protestant sect of Christianity, and men like Phillip II and Thomas Munzter ("Apocalyptic" terrorists) stained the earth crimson in defense of either side.

The vast majority of any Christian since this period that has delved into extremism has been the product of low level community indoctrination and their greatest danger has usually been to harm themselves, not others.
 
You tell me how can I tell the difference between a good muslim and a bad muslim. Deceit is accepted in Islam. In other words it is ok to lie. In fact a good muslim lies to his enemies.

A perfect example is Yasir Arafat or Amadineajad both of these men are masters at speaking out of both sides of there mouth.

Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.'"

Qur'an 5:41 "Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them."

I will trust no muslim, in my opinion it would be foolish to do so. You can call me a bigot or Islamaphobe if you wish. That will not change my opinion.

As I asked before, do you really want to go quote for quote?

But hey, at least you admit you are bigoted. Now it's just a matter of trying to educate you out of such ignorance.

Now, do you want to compare terrible holy text quote for terrible holy text quote and with each one you can explain to me why the one in the bible is acceptable and the one in the quran is not?
 
Lets talk about the subject. What would cause a classroom full of muslim school girls to murder there teacher while chanting Allah akbar?

Im tired of hearing excusses. I wan't to analyze the reason for there hatered for this teacher. A hatered so deep that they would beat her to death, burn her than dismember her remains.
 
Lets talk about the subject. What would cause a classroom full of muslim school girls to murder there teacher while chanting Allah akbar?

Im tired of hearing excusses. I wan't to analyze the reason for there hatered for this teacher. A hatered so deep that they would beat her to death, burn her than dismember her remains.

I know you would like to think that there is a kind of pure evil inside someone who does something like this, but I think they were simply misguided. I personally am against any religion that subscribes to a "my way or the highway" ideology. Any ideology like that lends itself to extremism as well. I don't think that Muslims in particular are just somehow more evil than believers of other religions like that. I think its unfortunate that some people believe in certain religious ideologies so much that they are willing to do anything for it, but I am definitely not shocked or outraged and I don't think it justifies singling out Muslims when there are other beliefs that have extremists as well.
 
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