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Teacher beat to death by mob of Muslim students in her classroom

Wait, teacher wasn't actually beat to death by a horde of angry Muslims?

Well..gee then, that kinda takes all the fun out of this thread.

back OT, though, I think that what is wrong with modern Muslims is that they are living in the Dark Ages, and no amount of Western intervention van change that.
 
Thelost1 said:
Wait, teacher wasn't actually beat to death by a horde of angry Muslims?

Well..gee then, that kinda takes all the fun out of this thread.

back OT, though, I think that what is wrong with modern Muslims is that they are living in the Dark Ages, and no amount of Western intervention van change that.
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Bear in mind that Christianity is 1,000 years older than Islam, and that Christianity also had its dark period during the Middle Ages, when the Inquisition resulted in the murders of millions, Manifest Destiny resulted in the almost complete extermination of a race of people, incidents such as the Salem Witchcraft trials resulted in more death, Christianity was used to justify slavery, as late as the 20th Century, Christianity was used to justify mass murder at the hands of the KKK and like organizations in the South, and, finally, don't forget the venom of people like Pat Robertson and his followers who are still spewing their hate today, and have a history of partnering with murderous dictators in places like the Congo and Liberia.

Every religion has its dark side, because religions were invented by man, not God.
 
danarhea said:
Bear in mind that Christianity is 1,000 years older than Islam, and that Christianity also had its dark period during the Middle Ages, when the Inquisition resulted in the murders of millions, Manifest Destiny resulted in the almost complete extermination of a race of people, incidents such as the Salem Witchcraft trials resulted in more death, Christianity was used to justify slavery, as late as the 20th Century, Christianity was used to justify mass murder at the hands of the KKK and like organizations in the South, and, finally, don't forget the venom of people like Pat Robertson and his followers who are still spewing their hate today, and have a history of partnering with murderous dictators in places like the Congo and Liberia.

Every religion has its dark side, because religions were invented by man, not God.
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This does not excuse them for the things they do. This teachers murder by female muslim students chanting Allah akbar happened this week. Not in the dark ages. Are you suggesting that it is ok for them to do this because muslims are living in the dark ages?

I could not imagine a class full of Christian or Jewish school girls doing this to a teacher. These people are sick. They are afflicted with a mental illness. Islam is the cause of there mental illness. ~ Sgt Rock
 
SgtRock said:
Source: Canada Free Press
March 29, 2007

This story sickens me. What is wrong with Muslims. Why are they so full of hate? This story was hardly covered by western media.

Teacher beat to death by mob of Muslim students in her classroom
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There is nothing wrong with Muslims as a whole. The whole group is not full of hate. I'm not defending what has happened here, because it sickens me as well, but I'm also sick and tired of the gross overgeneralizations that happen on this forum. A good friend of mine is Muslim, and she would never do anything like this, nor is she raising her children to act like this, or to think that actions such as this are OK. Don't condemn the whole based on the actions of a few.
 
danarhea said:
Bear in mind that Christianity is 1,000 years older than Islam, and that Christianity also had its dark period during the Middle Ages, when the Inquisition resulted in the murders of millions, Manifest Destiny resulted in the almost complete extermination of a race of people, incidents such as the Salem Witchcraft trials resulted in more death, Christianity was used to justify slavery, as late as the 20th Century, Christianity was used to justify mass murder at the hands of the KKK and like organizations in the South, and, finally, don't forget the venom of people like Pat Robertson and his followers who are still spewing their hate today, and have a history of partnering with murderous dictators in places like the Congo and Liberia.

Every religion has its dark side, because religions were invented by man, not God.
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Right, I totally agree with you.
 
Stace said:
There is nothing wrong with Muslims as a whole. The whole group is not full of hate. I'm not defending what has happened here, because it sickens me as well, but I'm also sick and tired of the gross overgeneralizations that happen on this forum. A good friend of mine is Muslim, and she would never do anything like this, nor is she raising her children to act like this, or to think that actions such as this are OK. Don't condemn the whole based on the actions of a few.
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Your friend is not a good muslim. I suggest you read the Quran, Hadith and Bukhari. What these school girls did is what Islam teaches.

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
 
SgtRock said:
This does not excuse them for the things they do. This teachers murder by female muslim students chanting Allah akbar happened this week. Not in the dark ages. Are you suggesting that it is ok for them to do this because muslims are living in the dark ages?

I could not imagine a class full of Christian or Jewish school girls doing this to a teacher. These people are sick. They are afflicted with a mental illness. Islam is the cause of there mental illness. ~ Sgt Rock
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paragraph 1: You're right, the perpetrators of this crime are guilty of murder. However, it did happen during the Dark Ages, just not the European Dark Ages. Things like this happen, unless you are willing to gloss over all of the atrocities comitted by Christians during their Dark Ages (the Inqisition and the crusades come to mind), then you cannot say that islam's dark Age is differant in any way except for being a current event.

paragraph 2: A mental ilness? No, they are believers. Check out the "left behind" video games for a taste of what it would be like if Christianity was undergoing a period of religious fanaticism like that which is currently happening in the Islamic world.
 
I could give you quotes all night long from Islamic text that back up what I am saying. Islam is inherantly evil. Im sorry you do not believe what I know to be fact. I have been studying this for quite some time.

I know that not all muslims are evil or would paticipate in such acts as these school girls did. My argument is that they are not good muslims. Infact they may not be muslim at all even though they claim to be. ~ Sgt Rock
 
Thelost1 said:
paragraph 1: You're right, the perpetrators of this crime are guilty of murder. However, it did happen during the Dark Ages, just not the European Dark Ages. Things like this happen, unless you are willing to gloss over all of the atrocities comitted by Christians during their Dark Ages (the Inqisition and the crusades come to mind), then you cannot say that islam's dark Age is differant in any way except for being a current event.

paragraph 2: A mental ilness? No, they are believers. Check out the "left behind" video games for a taste of what it would be like if Christianity was undergoing a period of religious fanaticism like that which is currently happening in the Islamic world.
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Why do you even bring up the dark ages. I am not trying to gloss over atrocities comitted by christians or any one else for that matter. That is ancient history. How are we ever to understand if we continually bring up the crusades when ever muslims behave the way they do.

It is as if people insist on making excusses for there behavior by comparing it to the behavior of other religious groups past history.

We are living in the 21st century.
 
Yes we are living in the 21st century but there are still those foreign and domestic that feel justified in using violence to promote their religion. Christian or satanist... Jew or muslim the individual belief structure is irrelevant. There are good people in all of these. There are people in all of these who use their religion to do evil and justify it.
 
SgtRock said:
This story was hardly covered by western media.
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I found a source with more details: Nigeria Christian Teacher Killed by Muslim Student Mob | Christianpost.com

I don't find it unusual that this one murder wasn't covered by the western media when you consider that northern Nigeria is "a region long plagued with intense Muslim-Christian violence," and "Since democracy was restored in 1999, there have been at least 15,000 deaths due to religious, communal or political violence, according to BBC."
 
I tell you why it wasnt covered by the western media. Because it happened in Nigeria. So why oh why Sgt Rock should the western media cover it? Because the victim was christian?

Perhaps we should just invade and teach em a lesson not to go messin wit christianity eh?
 
SgtRock said:
It is as if people insist on making excusses for there behavior by comparing it to the behavior of other religious groups past history.
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It's to demonstrate that all religions can be evil, and that all religions have been evil at some point.
 
SgtRock said:
Your friend is not a good muslim. I suggest you read the Quran, Hadith and Bukhari. What these school girls did is what Islam teaches.

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
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And you know what? There are plenty of things in the Bible that Jews and Christians are supposed to do, as well as many things they are NOT supposed to do. And yet, plenty of those go ignored. How 'bout the 10 Commandments? Plenty of supposed Christians violate at least one of them in their lifetime. Are you saying that they're not good Christians?

There are a lot more Muslims that aren't out there killing people than there are Muslims who ARE killing people. Are you trying to tell me that the non killing Muslims are all "bad" Muslims because of this?

:roll:
 
Ikari said:
It's to demonstrate that all religions can be evil, and that all religions have been evil at some point.
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No -- it is simply a non-sequitor offered by way of apologia and to indicate one prefers offering trite platitudes to actually learning anything about the subject matter.

It is always easier to just lump all religions together than learn their differences, especially inregards to the differences in the way they manifest themselves in the twenty first century.
 
But people lump the whole of Islam into the radical retard wing, claiming the whole is bad. How is that different than just lumping the whole of religion together? It can all be used in the same light, it can all be used to make one hate another for no real good reason. Almost all forms have, at some point, been abused to obtain political/military goals.
 
SgtRock said:
Why do you even bring up the dark ages. I am not trying to gloss over atrocities comitted by christians or any one else for that matter. That is ancient history. How are we ever to understand if we continually bring up the crusades when ever muslims behave the way they do.

It is as if people insist on making excusses for there behavior by comparing it to the behavior of other religious groups past history.

We are living in the 21st century.
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No, it's NOT ancient history. Just a few years ago, Pat Robertson was in Liberia mining gold with money he had supposedly collected for the poor. His partner in the venture was Charles Taylor, the Butcher of Liberia.

But a little something closer to home now, and I mean only a few dozen miles outside of Houston, where I live. Have you ever been to East Texas? I have - many times. I play in a band, and have played there frequently. East Texas is where a couple of people who called themselves Christians dragged a black man to his death behind a pickup truck. East Texas is where the KKK got caught with a weapon of mass destruction, a cynanide bomb capable of killing hundreds. They are also so called Christians. I also have personal experience. I was playing in a club in the area, when the Beckett Klan did a drive by shooting on it, killing 3 people. The reason? The club had refused to kick out a mixed-marriage couple. About a year later, that couple was murdered, and the husband hanged from a tree. I have also been to Camilla, TX, in which not a day goes by without some "Christian" talking about how they would like to kill a black man. This is all in the 21st Century. So don't give me any of your BS about how this is all ancient history, and how Christians are the nicest people you would ever want to meet. It's still there. It's only the rule of law preventing it from escalating to the extent you see in the Middle East.

By the way, I have a little free advise for you - Never buy a used car from a salesman who claims he is a Christian, and wears his Christianity on his sleeve. Follow that advise, and there is less of a chance you will be ripped off. You can thank me for the advise later.
 
Ikari said:
But people lump the whole of Islam into the radical retard wing, claiming the whole is bad. How is that different than just lumping the whole of religion together? It can all be used in the same light, it can all be used to make one hate another for no real good reason. Almost all forms have, at some point, been abused to obtain political/military goals.
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Lumping all in with this "retard wing" as you say is just as misguided as lumping all religions together, but the former certainly does not justify the latter. Neither does it justify the attempts to minimize the degree to which radical expressions of Islam are supported within the greater body of Islam.


I realize it's a novel approach, but why not actually learn a little bit about the beliefs of rank and file Muslims instead of just pretending you know? There are a number of reliable opinion polls out there detailing Mulsim beliefs, and they reveal substantial differences in the way they view the world than we do in the west. What percentage supports Bin Laden? What percentage thinks 911 was a "Zionist"-American" conspiracy? What percentage thinks people should be jailed for insulting Islam? What percentage wishes to impose Sharia? What percentage hold antisemitic beliefs?

The information is out there.One can either learn what people actually believe and make informed comments or they can will themselves to remaining ignorant. The choice is theirs. As far as my views, when a signifigant percentage of Mulslims hold certain beliefs, I regard that percentage accordingly. When that percentage reveals a majority, I regard the majority accordingly. If it truly is a tiny minority, I discount it as afringe belief.

I find this a better approach than not knowing anything at all and assuming so very much.
 
Well my roommate is Muslim, so I know a little bit. Thankfully he hasn't jihaded me just yet (you know, being an atheist I'm on the top of their hit list). While there may be a lot of "opinion polls", I prefer to get it straight from the horse's mouth. I learned an interesting thing about the intolerance which is taught through Islam. It's not so much the religion that is preaching and indoctrinating these things; it's the state. The states actually push harder on this stuff than the vast majority of the religious leadership. Through the state, intolerance and hatred is pushed. My roommate has some interesting "ideas" about Jews, but when asked about it, this misconceptions are born not from the mosque, but from the state supported classroom. Of course, it makes sense for the governments to do this when they are so corrupt and controlling that they can't allow the people to look long enough to criticize. Regardless, this theocracy is the same as theocracies of ol'. And the solution isn't war or intolerance, the solution is secular government.
 
SgtRock said:
Your friend is not a good muslim. I suggest you read the Quran, Hadith and Bukhari. What these school girls did is what Islam teaches.

Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
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"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


You wanna go quote for quote of murder, rape, genocide, and infanticide in the bible vs the koran?
 
Dogger807 said:
Yes we are living in the 21st century but there are still those foreign and domestic that feel justified in using violence to promote their religion. Christian or satanist... Jew or muslim the individual belief structure is irrelevant. There are good people in all of these. There are people in all of these who use their religion to do evil and justify it.
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I agree, but it was muslim school girls that we are talking about here. If we were talking about christian school girls I would not bring muslims into the conversation.

And you are wrong, there belief structure is relevent. It is the reason they attacked the teacher. Did you read the story?
 
EAGLE1 said:
I tell you why it wasnt covered by the western media. Because it happened in Nigeria. So why oh why Sgt Rock should the western media cover it? Because the victim was christian?

Perhaps we should just invade and teach em a lesson not to go messin wit christianity eh?
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No one is suggesting that we invade. I simply posted a story. A story that frankly, I was shocked by. Now Im being attacked by apologist for this type of murderous behavior.
 
Stace said:
And you know what? There are plenty of things in the Bible that Jews and Christians are supposed to do, as well as many things they are NOT supposed to do. And yet, plenty of those go ignored. How 'bout the 10 Commandments? Plenty of supposed Christians violate at least one of them in their lifetime. Are you saying that they're not good Christians?

There are a lot more Muslims that aren't out there killing people than there are Muslims who ARE killing people. Are you trying to tell me that the non killing Muslims are all "bad" Muslims because of this?

:roll:
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Yes, according to those that believe (take the text literally). They are also kaffar (infidels). Killing in the name of Allah is what is required of a good muslim. Its in the book. Read it.

Qur'an 48:11 "The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.' We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!"

Qur'an 4:89 "They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah's Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them."

Qur'an 9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least."

Qur'an 9:44 "Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty."

Stace, because there were atrocities commitied by christains that makes it ok for muslims to commit atrocities?

When I was a child one of the lesons I learned in life was that 2 wrongs do not make a right.
 
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