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Taking a ton of Vacations is only bad when its Obama?

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So, by now even the most credulous of Trump supporters cannot possibly deny that the man takes a LOT of golfing breaks, especially compared to the last several presidents.

Now unless you have amnesia, you cannot possibly forget the Conservative media and many Conservative individuals, in fact many of you on this very forum, constantly raking Obama over the coals for taking, really, any vacation at all. In fact towards the end of his first term I seem to recall that being a favored whipping post of the Right, that literally every single time Obama was on vacation, they would publish some photo of him golfing along with a headline about him ignoring whatever was going on in the country at the time.

And yet I have heard not one single peep out of the conservative media about Trump's frequent vacations.


Now what I want is for some Trumper, who busted Obama's balls about taking breaks, to come on here and say that this also bother them about Trump, or to explain to be why it is ok for Trump but was a dereliction of duty under Obama.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a sane or coherent reply, but we will see.
 
So, by now even the most credulous of Trump supporters cannot possibly deny that the man takes a LOT of golfing breaks, especially compared to the last several presidents.

Now unless you have amnesia, you cannot possibly forget the Conservative media and many Conservative individuals, in fact many of you on this very forum, constantly raking Obama over the coals for taking, really, any vacation at all. In fact towards the end of his first term I seem to recall that being a favored whipping post of the Right, that literally every single time Obama was on vacation, they would publish some photo of him golfing along with a headline about him ignoring whatever was going on in the country at the time.

And yet I have heard not one single peep out of the conservative media about Trump's frequent vacations.


Now what I want is for some Trumper, who busted Obama's balls about taking breaks, to come on here and say that this also bother them about Trump, or to explain to be why it is ok for Trump but was a dereliction of duty under Obama.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a sane or coherent reply, but we will see.

Keep in mind: Trump is obese and has the attention span and knoweldge of a 7 year old.

Both such conditions likely tired him out very quickly.
 
This is nothing new. Every supporter of a current standing president is going to complain that the previous president(s) that they did support were not as bad as what the current one is doing or not doing.

Obama supporters claimed that his vacations were not as bad as GW Bush, GW Bush supporters claimed that his vacations were not as bad as Clinton's...and so on and so forth.

The only difference this time is that they do have a point. Obama's vacation over the course of 8 years cost the taxpayers $97 Million dollars. Trump's in 88 days is already at $21 Million. If he keeps to this same vacation schedule for the next 8 years he's going to cost an estimated $697 Million.
 
Yes, a lot are hypocrites when complaining about Obama's vacations, including Trump himself.

In the grand scheme of things, I don't really give a **** about Trump going on vacation. If he wants to golf, then whatever. Better than him signing some stupid EO.
 
Yes, a lot are hypocrites when complaining about Obama's vacations, including Trump himself.

In the grand scheme of things, I don't really give a **** about Trump going on vacation. If he wants to golf, then whatever. Better than him signing some stupid EO.

Tis true. At the same accord, he's set to spend more in 1 year on travel than Obama did in 8, so he does need to get that under control. He doesn't need to jet off to Florida every damned weekend, or put up Melania in Trump Towers. Else he's going to have to start footing those bills.
 
This is nothing new. Every supporter of a current standing president is going to complain that the previous president(s) that they did support were not as bad as what the current one is doing or not doing.

Obama supporters claimed that his vacations were not as bad as GW Bush, GW Bush supporters claimed that his vacations were not as bad as Clinton's...and so on and so forth.

The only difference this time is that they do have a point. Obama's vacation over the course of 8 years cost the taxpayers $97 Million dollars. Trump's in 88 days is already at $21 Million. If he keeps to this same vacation schedule for the next 8 years he's going to cost an estimated $697 Million.

Let's see how many billions Trump adds to the GDP, and then we can decide if he's worth it. The middle class under Obama took a net loss. The middle class under Trump is too soon to tell.
 
Let's see how many billions Trump adds to the GDP, and then we can decide if he's worth it. The middle class under Obama took a net loss. The middle class under Trump is too soon to tell.

Well, Trump couldn't even pass a Healthcare bill with a majority party on his side, so his chances of accomplishing something domestically look pretty slim right now.
 
AP FACT CHECK: Do Trump's Mar-a-Lago trips cost $3 million? | Fox News

With a few deletions to get under the character maximum.

WASHINGTON – With President Donald Trump making his seventh presidential trip this weekend to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, government watchdogs and Democrats are once again seeing dollar signs: namely, $3 million.

That's a widely used estimate of what each journey costs taxpayers. The figure comes from a government report on a trip President Barack Obama made to Palm Beach, Florida, but the report's author tells The Associated Press that it's a mistake to apply those findings to Trump's travel.

-snip-

Neither the Secret Service, which protects the president, nor the Department of Defense, which transports presidential vehicles from place to place, has provided a tally of any Mar-a-Lago trip, although a government office is working up estimates that will eventually become public.

-snip-

The conservative group Judicial Watch estimated that Obama's travel expenses totaled at least $96 million over eight years, based on partial responses to its freedom of information requests. In December, the group's president, Tom Fitton, said Obama had engaged in "notorious abuse of presidential travel perks" and called on Trump to overhaul presidential travel.

But with seven Mar-a-Lago visits in less than three months, is Trump guilty of the same thing? Fitton says he doesn't think so but added, "It's not what we expected from him, given his criticism of Obama."

-snip-

Trump's time at Mar-a-Lago appears to be a mix of business and pleasure. He's twice hosted foreign leaders there, twice used the resort as a home base for presidential or campaign events in the area and made 15 visits to his nearby golf courses. The White House doesn't say whether he's golfing.

One way Trump is saving presidential travel money: He hasn't yet journeyed overseas, though next month he plans to make a stop in Brussels.

With a Republican in the White House, liberal groups are joining Judicial Watch in keeping an eye on travel costs.

Before Trump's Mar-a-Lago meeting last week with Chinese President Xi Jinping, the group Public Citizen blasted him for spending another "estimated $3 million."

Public Citizen said it is quoting the $3 million figure from Politico and CBS. CNN has also used that number. Those estimates all trace back an October 2016 report by the Government Accountability Office.

___

THE FACTS

As fate would have it, the estimate for Trump's Mar-a-Lago trips is based on a 2013 weekend golf trip Obama took to Palm Beach.

Sen. John Barrasso, a Wyoming Republican, asked the GAO to probe the Obama outing, and its report finally came out last fall.

The GAO's bottom line for that trip, not including regular White House personnel costs as well as some classified expenses, was $3.6 million. But the author of that report, Brian Lepore, says that figure shouldn't be applied to Trump's travel.

"It's hard to substitute one trip for another, even if the destination is the same," Lepore said. Each time a president travels, the Defense Department must airlift equipment such as the protective limousines, security vehicles and occasionally helicopters from various military bases around the country.

-snip-

Another problem with extrapolating from the October 2016 GAO report is that it included a leg from Washington to Chicago, where Obama gave an economic speech before heading to Palm Beach for a long weekend of golf.

Obama was only in Chicago for a few hours, but costs pile up because each destination triggers the need for the Secret Service to prepare and protect the site and the Defense Department to move the equipment involved.

Another significant cost-driver, GAO noted, is the per-hour cost of military aircraft, such as the president's plane, Air Force One. So it's not just a matter of slicing off a few hundred thousand dollars to come up with the $3 million estimate.

"If you take out Chicago, that just means the equipment is going to have to come from other bases," Lepore said. Sometimes that means more money, sometimes less.

Judicial Watch arrives at its $1 million figure by estimating flight time and typical Secret Service costs, leaving out airlifting equipment such as the presidential limousines. Those costs also aren't fully included in Judicial Watch's $96 million total for Obama.

More clarity is coming, eventually.

The GAO agreed to a Democratic request to price out a few of Trump's Mar-a-Lago trips, and its forthcoming report promises a more accurate estimate. The research could take months or, if the Obama report is any guide, years.

As I recall most of Obama's sins were him and his wife traveling separately on extended vacations, rather than strictly government business. Trump hasn't been accused of that yet.
 
So, by now even the most credulous of Trump supporters cannot possibly deny that the man takes a LOT of golfing breaks, especially compared to the last several presidents.

Now unless you have amnesia, you cannot possibly forget the Conservative media and many Conservative individuals, in fact many of you on this very forum, constantly raking Obama over the coals for taking, really, any vacation at all. In fact towards the end of his first term I seem to recall that being a favored whipping post of the Right, that literally every single time Obama was on vacation, they would publish some photo of him golfing along with a headline about him ignoring whatever was going on in the country at the time.

And yet I have heard not one single peep out of the conservative media about Trump's frequent vacations.


Now what I want is for some Trumper, who busted Obama's balls about taking breaks, to come on here and say that this also bother them about Trump, or to explain to be why it is ok for Trump but was a dereliction of duty under Obama.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a sane or coherent reply, but we will see.

please quit exaggerating
tRump has only spent one minute out of every five at mar a lago since the inauguration
the guy is a workaholic. just ask him
i don't know how he manages to keep up this pace
 
Well, Trump couldn't even pass a Healthcare bill with a majority party on his side, so his chances of accomplishing something domestically look pretty slim right now.
Great point.

Trump's only hope is to move towards the Dems, or potentially remain an impotent ineffectual albatross. He doesn't have the skillset to pull this off with the GOP (not that many do).

The Dems on the other hand are being complete idiots & a-holes. They should be pulling Trump towards them, and picking him off on bits and pieces of legislation. Trump has no ideology and is self-serving. He held relatively moderate and even liberal positions until half-way through the primary, when he let Bannon and the GOP pull him Right (ex: single-payer healthcare). If Trump can get his name on it, he'll pass it - regardless of what it is! As long as it says "Trump" on it!
 
Let's see how many billions Trump adds to the GDP, and then we can decide if he's worth it. The middle class under Obama took a net loss. The middle class under Trump is too soon to tell.

So, it was ok for Obama to waste money if he was helping the economy. Got it.
 
Well, Trump couldn't even pass a Healthcare bill with a majority party on his side, so his chances of accomplishing something domestically look pretty slim right now.

He bumped up against the more conservative wing of his party. We'll see if it ends there. Pardon the thread crap, but the only salvation for Obamacare is full employment at wages that exceed the subsidy...
 
Let's see how many billions Trump adds to the GDP, and then we can decide if he's worth it. The middle class under Obama took a net loss. The middle class under Trump is too soon to tell.

His track record as a business man is not leaving me with the warm fuzzy feelings.

Besides, Obama took 217 days of vacation during his 8 years. GWB took 533 days in his 8. That's 7% and 18% respectively.

Trump has spent 17 days golfing and 21 days at a private retreat in the past 88 days. That's 47%
 
Let's see how many billions Trump adds to the GDP, and then we can decide if he's worth it. The middle class under Obama took a net loss. The middle class under Trump is too soon to tell.


more right wing foolishness
 
Great point.

Trump's only hope is to move towards the Dems, or potentially remain an impotent ineffectual albatross. He doesn't have the skillset to pull this off with the GOP (not that many do).

The Dems on the other hand are being complete idiots & a-holes. They should be pulling Trump towards them, and picking him off on bits and pieces of legislation. Trump has no ideology and is self-serving. He held relatively moderate and even liberal positions until half-way through the primary, when he let Bannon and the GOP pull him Right (ex: single-payer healthcare). If Trump can get his name on it, he'll pass it - regardless of what it is! As long as it says "Trump" on it!

Trump is a pragmatist, and a moderate one at that. He's got 3 1/4 years to move to the center. I doubt he will allow the republicans to call the tune forever.
 
Trump is a pragmatist, and a moderate one at that. He's got 3 1/4 years to move to the center. I doubt he will allow the republicans to call the tune forever.


trump is screwed. Moving to the center will alienate the right wing. He has already obviously abandoned the dems and is in the process of abandoning the independents.
 
He bumped up against the more conservative wing of his party. We'll see if it ends there. Pardon the thread crap, but the only salvation for Obamacare is full employment at wages that exceed the subsidy...

You are correct to an extent, the healthcare bill was hastily made when the Republicans finally held a majority (they had years to make a "better" bill after to replace Obamacare). Trump must have had a difficult time playing spectator when Paul Ryan and his cronies struggled to unite the party while Trump didn't lift a finger to substantially help. The problem is not the policies the Republicans have (they have the majority), it is Trump incompetence to get down in the mud and unite to party. Extremely conservative or slightly, the Republicans had time to come together and make something happen, but all they succeeded in doing was utterly failing and losing the trust of voters.
 
So, by now even the most credulous of Trump supporters cannot possibly deny that the man takes a LOT of golfing breaks, especially compared to the last several presidents.

Now unless you have amnesia, you cannot possibly forget the Conservative media and many Conservative individuals, in fact many of you on this very forum, constantly raking Obama over the coals for taking, really, any vacation at all. In fact towards the end of his first term I seem to recall that being a favored whipping post of the Right, that literally every single time Obama was on vacation, they would publish some photo of him golfing along with a headline about him ignoring whatever was going on in the country at the time.

And yet I have heard not one single peep out of the conservative media about Trump's frequent vacations.


Now what I want is for some Trumper, who busted Obama's balls about taking breaks, to come on here and say that this also bother them about Trump, or to explain to be why it is ok for Trump but was a dereliction of duty under Obama.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a sane or coherent reply, but we will see.

No. It is just stupid to bitch about vacation. We live in the 21st century. We have this amazing thing called the internet.


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It never ceases to amaze me what The Right is willing to forgive and forget just to get what they want.

So much for Values :lamo
 
So, by now even the most credulous of Trump supporters cannot possibly deny that the man takes a LOT of golfing breaks, especially compared to the last several presidents.

Now unless you have amnesia, you cannot possibly forget the Conservative media and many Conservative individuals, in fact many of you on this very forum, constantly raking Obama over the coals for taking, really, any vacation at all. In fact towards the end of his first term I seem to recall that being a favored whipping post of the Right, that literally every single time Obama was on vacation, they would publish some photo of him golfing along with a headline about him ignoring whatever was going on in the country at the time.

And yet I have heard not one single peep out of the conservative media about Trump's frequent vacations.


Now what I want is for some Trumper, who busted Obama's balls about taking breaks, to come on here and say that this also bother them about Trump, or to explain to be why it is ok for Trump but was a dereliction of duty under Obama.

I'm not going to hold my breath for a sane or coherent reply, but we will see.

Other things that are only bad when a D does it:

Hiding financial records and not disclosing sources of income via released Tax Forms.

Collaborating with a foreign government for political gain.

Taking money from foreign governments.

Conflicts of interest between personal private business and government function.

Promoting your private business while in government position.

Forcing the tax payers to subsidize your private business by scheduling weekend retreats there.

Jacking up the membership fees to said private business because you will be scheduling retreats there.

Blacking out the White House visitor log.

Repeatedly saying one thing, and then doing another.

Unilaterally ordering the bombing a sovereign country because your daughter felt icky.
 
Well Trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and his Supports would still follow him.

He sure knows his Supporters :mrgreen:

Those Little Hands should Registered ;)
 
Another shoe dropping: Blackwater Founder Erik Prince Said to Have Advised Trump Team


According to people familiar with his activities, Prince entered Trump Tower through the back, like others who wanted to avoid the media spotlight, and huddled with members of the president-elect’s team to discuss intelligence and security issues. The conversations provide a glimpse of Prince’s relationship with an administration that’s distanced itself from him since the Washington Post reported earlier this month that Prince had met with a top aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Seychelles in January.

That island encounter was the latest in a series of conversations between Trump advisers and Russians that have come to light as U.S. investigators probe allegations that Russia interfered with the presidential election.



Yet over a two to three month period around the election, Prince met several times with top aides as the incoming government took shape, offering ideas on how to fight terror and restructure the country’s major intelligence agencies, according to information provided by five people familiar with the meetings. Among those he conferred with was Flynn, a member of the transition team who joined the administration and was later dismissed, some of the people said. He discussed possible government appointees with people in the private sector, one person said. Prince himself told several people that while he was not offering his advice in any official capacity, his role was significant.

Acela Trip

The meetings occurred in Trump Tower, the administration’s transition office in Washington and elsewhere, according to people familiar with them. In one informal discussion in late November, Prince spoke openly with two members of Trump’s transition team on a train bound from New York to Washington. He boarded the same Acela as Kellyanne Conway and they sat together. Joining the conversation at one point was Kevin Harrington, a longtime associate of Trump adviser Peter Thiel who is now on the National Security Council. They discussed, in broad terms, major changes the incoming administration envisioned for the intelligence community, as recounted by a person on the train who overheard their conversation.

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...r-erik-prince-said-to-have-advised-trump-team
 
No. It is just stupid to bitch about vacation. We live in the 21st century. We have this amazing thing called the internet.


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So you think all of the bitching about Obama's vacations was stupid and you did not partake in that?
 
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