Surge in gun deaths in states relaxing their gun laws.

[RF667799]

Since the narrative is the number of people killed or injured by firearms, "firearm violence" is the appropriate term and is well-documented in the public health literature.

Nobody is killed or injured by firearms. Why can't you speak accurately?

 

[RF667799]

The topic being discussed was whether anything can be done to reduce deaths- not whether we had regulations.

Let's review:

I am sure firearms are not the only potentially hazardous piece of equipment that you have ever used with regulations on them.

Do you think all those regulations on all those things should be taken away because you have personally never harmed anyone with them?

What regulations have I said should be taken away?

That was not the topic being discussed.

You just questioned me on that.

The topic being discussed was whether anything can be done to reduce deaths- not whether we had regulations.

 

[rahl]

Guns are now the leading cause of death in American children, beating out cancer. Yay freedumbz!

No it isn’t. Motor vehicles is.

 

[poppopfox]

If you store your guns safely and somebody smart breaks into your house you're probably not going to have time to get to it and you'll be dead or kidnapped anyway.

That's why you need a good, large breed dog. If they don't ward off the attack at least they will buy you some time.

If you don't store your guns safely then there is a higher percentage chance there's going to be a gun accident.

That's it. That's the math.

 

[rahl]

According to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for 2023, firearms accounted for 18% of childhood deaths (ages 1 to 18), with approximately 3,500 children dying in gun-related incidents. This is a rate of about 5 deaths per 100,000 children in the U.S.
For children and adolescents age 17 and below in 2023, nearly two-thirds of firearm deaths were due to gun assaults, while 29% were suicides and 5% were accidental.

Firearms became the leading cause of death for children ages 1-17 in 2020 and 2021, surpassing motor vehicle deaths, and have remained so in subsequent years. This issue is particularly prevalent in the United States; firearms are not among the top four causes of death for children in comparable countries, and the vast majority (97%) of gun-related child and teen deaths among similar large and wealthy nations occur in the U.S.

Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

Firearms were responsible for 20 percent of all child and teen deaths in the U.S. for both 2020 and 2021, compared to an average of less than 2 percent in similarly large and wealthy nations. This puts the U.S. far ahead of peer nations in child and teen firearm deaths.

www.kff.org

Yes, we have already dealt with this stupidity. If you exclude some kids, and call some adults children, you can claim guns are the leading cause. But that is hilariously retarded and demonstrably false.

 

[rahl]

All potentially hazardous equipment can't die. But we still have lots of regulations on them. Why?

Is this the point in the debate where you pretend guns aren’t heavily regulated? This is such a fun part of the cycle of stupidity. Only a matter of time before nukes at Walmart are retardedly mentioned.

 

[rahl]

Spam

 

[CaughtInThe]

That's why you need a good, large breed dog. If they don't ward off the attack at least they will buy you some time.

Or you could buy a cat but they would probably help the kidnapper.

 

[rahl]

Gun owners should be the strongest advocates for unnecessary firearm violence rather than apologists.
The article only addresses EXCESS firearm violence which tends to ignore the baseline firearm violence.
You know that at least 100,000 people are killed or injured by firearms yearly in the USA.
More firearm prevalence, there will be more firearm death and injury.
Sometimes simple associations are just as they seem and do not need to be obscured by false excuses or rationalizations.

As you know, there is no such thing as firearm violence. Inanimate objects can’t commit an act of any kind.

 

[rahl]

More firearm prevalence, there will be more firearm death and injury.

ok. Give me the specific firearm prevalence broken down by state, city and then household. After you do that, prove a causal factor.

 

[braindrain]

Because if you are doing things which are hurting others, you don't have a right anymore. Your rights stop where other people's noses start. You are making an entire nation live in blood and gore so you can target practice on empty beer cans on the weekends with military grade weapons.

And you are making an entire nation live in a lot more blood and gore because you want the convenience of driving a car.

And just FYI you stupid hyperbole only makes your argument look stupid.

 

[rahl]

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In 2022, there were 2,526 gun deaths among children and teens ages 1-17, averaging to nearly 7 per day. AI Overview

Why are you wildly exaggerating that number?

Motor vehicles killed more children than guns did. Whoops.

 

[rahl]

Absurdist reasoning. All firearms are not involved in the faulty risk calculation because they are stored adequately.
True prevalence is not total number of guns. It is, somewhat inadequately, defined by the number of households with accessible firearms.

Awesome. Provide the number of households with guns, and how many are in each household.

How many cases of Ebola or polio or rabies are acceptable?
Thousands of children between 1-19 yrs are killed or injured by firearms.

Many more thousands are killed by motor vehicles. And 18-19 year olds aren’t children. And children under 1 are children.

That alone should direct your attention to the problem

That motor vehicles killed more children than guns do?

 

[rahl]

Since the narrative is the number of people killed or injured by firearms, "firearm violence" is the appropriate term and is well-documented in the public health literature.

There is no such thing as firearm violence. Inanimate object can’t commit any act.

 

[braindrain]

That was not the topic being discussed.

Jesus you can’t even keep your bs straight for more then two posts in a row.

Maybe you should find an easier place to push your ideology. Like a preschool. Might be a little easier for you.

 

[Spock]

Those are facts, top bold. Period.

You are applying the selective criteria for your version of "reasoning." So take another look, esp. at what is bolded, and try again if you're interested.

Your "reasoning" is disconnected from logic. Since one firearm is used at a time and firearms are purchased often by owners of other firearms you 400 million number is wrong as a measurement of prevalence. Furthermore, your assumption that 100,000 casualties are trivial because you have inflated the denominator is further evidence of faulty reasoning.

The best way to evaluate the American firearm violence problem is to look at the consequences of firearm access.
Evidence demonstrates that access to a firearm facilitates male suicide and, to a lesser extent, female suicide. Households with firearms are a risk factor for death and injury. Finally, intentional and unintentional death and injury to children should be sufficient reason for anyone to question American firearm policy.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.

www.healthdata.org

 

[JMB1911A1]

Facts are facts. Only a true racist sees everything in racist terms.

How do you propose that we solve the inequity in teen homicides? Specifics would be appreciated.

 

[poppopfox]

Facts are facts. Only a true racist sees everything in racist terms.

As you do.

How do you propose that we solve the inequity in teen homicides? Specifics would be appreciated.

How do you propose that we solve the inequity in wealth and opportunities in that demographic? Specifics would be appreciated.

 

[JMB1911A1]

As you do.

I just posted facts. You made it racist. You probably think that poor black people need white liberals to tell them how to succeed.

How do you propose that we solve the inequity in wealth and opportunities in that demographic? Specifics would be appreciated.

Feel free to start a new post. We are discussing homicides here.

 

[poppopfox]

I just posted facts. You made it racist. You probably think that poor black people need white liberals to tell them how to succeed.

Nope, and you made it racist by introducing the term "Blacks.

Feel free to start a new post. We are discussing homicides here.

Quite the authoritarian, eh! Feel free to start your own website!

 

[Spock]

Nobody is killed or injured by firearms. Why can't you speak accurately?

See post 49
Your fantasy is inconsistent with reality but does demonstrate a problem understanding English.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Nope, and you made it racist by introducing the term "Blacks.

That was a direct quote from the article. I did not introduce the term. Maybe learn to read links.

Quite the authoritarian, eh! Feel free to start your own website!

 

[RF667799]

See post 49
Your fantasy is inconsistent with reality but does demonstrate a problem understanding English.

It's very important to your narrative to speak that baby talk. I've previously outlined the motive behind that.

 

[rahl]

See post 49
Your fantasy is inconsistent with reality but does demonstrate a problem understanding English.

Inanimate objects are incapable of committing any act of any kind. It’s ****ing hilarious when you go down this road of stupidity

 

[Spock]

It's very important to your narrative to speak that baby talk. I've previously outlined the motive behind that.

I think your fantasy is irrational babbling, i.e. baby talk.