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Surge in gun deaths in states relaxing their gun laws.

it was a quote

you know guns cannot do anything on their own, they're inanimate objects

if guns started killing people? and if they all got together and coordinated it? they'd kill millions in a single afternoon

guns don't have brains, they're incapable
Firearm violence in the USA exceed all other similar countries:
 
Firearm violence in the USA exceed all other similar countries:

we are a violent nation with violent cultures that breed 6000 people every year that want to murder other people. For decades automobiles were the #1 and for the last 2-3 years kids using guns (accidents/suicide ) (or being murdered) were

suicides increased was the difference I think

anyway the USA is different from those countries - we have freedoms they don't have
 
we are a violent nation with violent cultures that breed 6000 people every year that want to murder other people. For decades automobiles were the #1 and for the last 2-3 years kids using guns (accidents/suicide ) (or being murdered) were

suicides increased was the difference I think

anyway the USA is different from those countries - we have freedoms they don't have
The freedom to be killed apparently.
Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the UK are quite similar to the USA. All have fewer firearms and fewer firearm deaths.
 
The freedom to be killed apparently.
Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the UK are quite similar to the USA. All have fewer firearms and fewer firearm deaths.

Yeah, but that "fewer firearms" part is not a feature.
 
The freedom to be killed apparently.
Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and the UK are quite similar to the USA. All have fewer firearms and fewer firearm deaths.
None of them have the rights we have. In the UK, you can be jailed for making a mean FB post.

They also don’t have the inner city issues that we have.

Of course, you could just be referring to the White Anglo-Saxon parts of the US. Gun control is racist at its core after all.
 
It’s a thread about gun deaths. If you want to do a deep dive into pediatric auto and cancer deaths you should start a thread about it.
Typical gun banners gotta lie.

Guns are the leading cause of death.”

Objective person.
“Well how significant is the difference between the other causes of death”

Gun banner : We just compared it to other causes of death and therefore you are not allowed to discuss those causes of death.
 
Yeah, but that "fewer firearms" part is not a feature.
Fewer firearms and better regulation is absolutely the reason many other anglosphere countries have less firearm violence.
 
None of them have the rights we have. In the UK, you can be jailed for making a mean FB post.

They also don’t have the inner city issues that we have.

Of course, you could just be referring to the White Anglo-Saxon parts of the US. Gun control is racist at its core after all.
The "right" you think exists has resulted in excessive access to firearms and promoted firearm violence.
Do you favor a right to take from another person their life? That is what 2A has become.
 
Oddly enough, we didn't have that surge in Arizona when we went to permitless CCW.

Probably because everyone was already packing. Including the hippies. Especially the hippies.
 
Fewer firearms and better regulation is absolutely the reason many other anglosphere countries have less firearm violence.

But "fewer firearms".

I have just enough.
 
Oddly enough, we didn't have that surge in Arizona when we went to permitless CCW.

Probably because everyone was already packing. Including the hippies. Especially the hippies.
It appears that Arizona legislated permit-less concealed carry in 2010.
Since then, the firearm death rates have generally increased. Arizona has higher than average firearm death rates currently.

 
It appears that Arizona legislated permit-less concealed carry in 2010.
Since then, the firearm death rates have generally increased. Arizona has higher than average firearm death rates currently.

Historically speaking, we have always had more gun violence than the average, from 1865-present. Our entire state history is nothing but people shooting each other in the back when they get out of the stage coach.

I didn't say we had any, I said we didn't have a bump. I stand corrected.

Overall gun deaths have steadily increased in Arizona within the last decade. The gun death rate increased 43% in 2022 compared to 2013.

I mostly paid attention from 2010 to 2012, ie, immediately after the change in legislation. What we DID see then was a bump in non-violent gun crimes (brandishing, restricted areas, etc) which was to be expected considering the whole point of the CCW permit was to ensure that people knew the relevant laws.
 
It rained today because I just washed my car this morning.

This is the argumentative level of the Gun Control Industry and its zealots, when they trot out statistics and engage in their post hoc fallacies.
 
The "right" you think exists has resulted in excessive access to firearms and promoted firearm violence.
Do you favor a right to take from another person their life? That is what 2A has become.
If someone is a credible threat to me or my family of death or grievious bodily injury, I will use deadly force if necessary.
 
Historically speaking, we have always had more gun violence than the average, from 1865-present. Our entire state history is nothing but people shooting each other in the back when they get out of the stage coach.

I didn't say we had any, I said we didn't have a bump. I stand corrected.



I mostly paid attention from 2010 to 2012, ie, immediately after the change in legislation. What we DID see then was a bump in non-violent gun crimes (brandishing, restricted areas, etc) which was to be expected considering the whole point of the CCW permit was to ensure that people knew the relevant laws.
I think that there are very few laws which produce an effect immediately. It is always best to look at the later years. Of course the other factor to consider is that there is not a 1:1 relationship between firearm access/prevalence and violence. In addition, if the firearm situation starts at a saturation point, little change with occur with additional firearms in the mix.
 
Explain how concealed carry affects the suicide rate.
More handguns, more accessible handguns would be reasonable explanations.
I know you want to believe that firearm access is not related to suicide, but that is just one of the myths perpetrated by firearm apologists.
 
I think that there are very few laws which produce an effect immediately. It is always best to look at the later years. Of course the other factor to consider is that there is not a 1:1 relationship between firearm access/prevalence and violence. In addition, if the firearm situation starts at a saturation point, little change with occur with additional firearms in the mix.


What bullshit!

The Excited States of Amerika is the ONLY nation that allows ownership of hand guns.


It has the highest homicide rate of ANY nation. It has the highest accidental shooting ratio of ANY nation.

Period.


Any further discussion is bullshit designed to make the ridiculous appear normal.


It would NOT be an issue except YOUR ****ING GUNS end up on our streets. If you want to be the world's asshole, that's fine, but keep your murderous shit to yourself.
 
If someone is a credible threat to me or my family of death or grievious bodily injury, I will use deadly force if necessary.
Of course you will respond to any threat and among those threats will be situations that were misunderstanding, mistakes, or property threats-- none of which require lethal force.
Hundreds of millions of Americans get by their entire lifetime without the need for a firearm for protection. You are an outlier.
 
Firearm violence is the conversation.
As we have established, there is no such thing. Inanimate objects are incapable of committing any act.
 
More handguns, more accessible handguns would be reasonable explanations.
Concealed carry doesn't change the accessibility of handguns.
I know you want to believe that firearm access is not related to suicide,
It's not I don't believe it because it's false. It's emotional pleading and it's the only strategy you have.
but that is just one of the myths perpetrated by firearm apologists.
Firearms apologists of course being people who support rights. Essentially you're either a firearms apologist or dictatorship apologist. Suicide is a small price to pay to not have you in charge so even if the things you say are true it's still better than what you want.
 
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