Surge in gun deaths in states relaxing their gun laws.

[RF667799]

Says who? Not observations.

You're claiming you have observed me harming someone? I think you better check your zealotry.

 

[RF667799]

I was just pointing out your lie of omission. It’s fun to watch you flail around trying to score points.

My "lie of omission" that you omitted actually pointing out.

You better go back to one of the Trump Is Orange threads or something. You're in over your head.

 

[RF667799]

Let me predict the following spurious arguments by gun apologists intent on burying any criticism of
1. Firearm violence cannot occur because firearms are not alive (this silly statement by the grammatically impaired firearm apologists)
2. Firearm violence cannot be linked to firearms because that is tautology (incorrect statement by a confused sesquipedalian)
3. Claiming that firearms are uniquely different from pools, cars, chainsaws, knives or sharp sticks is baby talk or special pleading ( since firearms ARE structurally and fundamentally different from other devices, this claim is incorrect)
4, Accidents, self-harm and homicide connected to firearms cannot be considered together because the circumstances differ (the common factor of firearm violence is.... firearms and, therefore, it is appropriate to consider all consequences)

"Firearm violence" is constructed to aid a narrative. The Gun Control Industry lied to you and told you it was an argument of substance.

You might even know this, which is why you reject applying that silly shit to anything else.

 

[stealthycat]

Guns are now the leading cause of death in American children, beating out cancer. Yay freedumbz!

how many of the last 50 years has it been autos causing all the deaths of children ? do you have the numbers ? oh wait .. I'll do it

42,514 traffic fatalities in 2022 in the United States
21,172 accidental deaths of children in 2022 by guns in the USA

You will try include people who intentionally took their own lives - that's not reasonable to do

 

[lynnwinslow]

My "lie of omission" that you omitted actually pointing out.

You better go back to one of the Trump Is Orange threads or something. You're in over your head.

 

[RF667799]

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Do you realize you haven't had a substantive post yet in this thread? Keep it up. The NRA is grateful for all the assists.

 

[ataraxia]

You're claiming you have observed me harming someone? I think you better check your zealotry.

I am sure firearms are not the only potentially hazardous piece of equipment that you have ever used with regulations on them.

Do you think all those regulations on all those things should be taken away because you have personally never harmed anyone with them?

 

[ataraxia]

Did you fact check that Onion article, or is its facetious editorializing good enough for you?

Sure, it’s an onion article making fun of the argument that there’s nothing we can do.

 

[poppopfox]

how many of the last 50 years has it been autos causing all the deaths of children ? do you have the numbers ? oh wait .. I'll do it

42,514 traffic fatalities in 2022 in the United States
21,172 accidental deaths of children in 2022 by guns in the USA

In 2022, there were 2,526 gun deaths among children and teens ages 1-17, averaging to nearly 7 per day. AI Overview

Why are you wildly exaggerating that number?

 

[RF667799]

I am sure firearms are not the only potentially hazardous piece of equipment that you have ever used with regulations on them.

Do you think all those regulations on all those things should be taken away because you have personally never harmed anyone with them?

What regulations have I said should be taken away?

 

[RF667799]

Sure, it’s an onion article making fun of the argument that there’s nothing we can do.

Who argues that other than those who focus their zealotry on banning firearms, and become dismayed when they're told to shove their authoritarian tendencies in their metaphorical asses?

 

[ataraxia]

What regulations have I said should be taken away?

That was not the topic being discussed.

 

[RF667799]

That was not the topic being discussed.

You just questioned me on that.

 

[ataraxia]

Who argues that other than those who focus their zealotry on banning firearms, and become dismayed when they're told to shove their authoritarian tendencies in their metaphorical asses?

You’re telling us there is nothing further that can or should be done to reduce the death rate- and being the free and proud people that we are, we just have to learn to wallow in blood and gore- all to protect your freedoms for target practice on empty beer cans with military weapons.

 

[ataraxia]

You just questioned me on that.

The topic being discussed was whether anything can be done to reduce deaths- not whether we had regulations.

 

[Spock]

As a foundation, I think we've been thru this before, and oversimplifying with a bumper sticker slogan doesnt fix it nor lend itself to reasonable solutions.

There are:
~400 million guns in the US
gun deaths: ~48,000
gun injuries: ~27,500

So the ratio of firearms owned ("prevalent") to firearm death/injury is so miniscule you need an electron microscope to see it. It should be obvious that if only numbers of guns possessed was the problem, the streets really would be running with blood.

For me, argument needs to reflect something more focused, rational, than "just numbers." The topic is relaxing gun laws.

Absurdist reasoning. All firearms are not involved in the faulty risk calculation because they are stored adequately.
True prevalence is not total number of guns. It is, somewhat inadequately, defined by the number of households with accessible firearms.

How many cases of Ebola or polio or rabies are acceptable?
Thousands of children between 1-19 yrs are killed or injured by firearms. That alone should direct your attention to the problem

 

[Spock]

"Firearm violence" is constructed to aid a narrative. The Gun Control Industry lied to you and told you it was an argument of substance.

You might even know this, which is why you reject applying that silly shit to anything else.

Since the narrative is the number of people killed or injured by firearms, "firearm violence" is the appropriate term and is well-documented in the public health literature.

 

[Lursa]

As a foundation, I think we've been thru this before, and oversimplifying with a bumper sticker slogan doesnt fix it nor lend itself to reasonable solutions.

There are:
~400 million guns in the US
gun deaths: ~48,000
gun injuries: ~27,500

So the ratio of firearms owned ("prevalent") to firearm death/injury is so miniscule you need an electron microscope to see it. It should be obvious that if only numbers of guns possessed was the problem, the streets really would be running with blood.

For me, argument needs to reflect something more focused, rational, than "just numbers." The topic is relaxing gun laws.

Absurdist reasoning. All firearms are not involved in the faulty risk calculation because they are stored adequately.
True prevalence is not total number of guns. It is, somewhat inadequately, defined by the number of households with accessible firearms.

How many cases of Ebola or polio or rabies are acceptable?
Thousands of children between 1-19 yrs are killed or injured by firearms. That alone should direct your attention to the problem

Those are facts, top bold. Period.

You are applying the selective criteria for your version of "reasoning." So take another look, esp. at what is bolded, and try again if you're interested.

 

[CaughtInThe]

If you store your guns safely and somebody smart breaks into your house you're probably not going to have time to get to it and you'll be dead or kidnapped anyway.

If you don't store your guns safely then there is a higher percentage chance there's going to be a gun accident.

That's it. That's the math.

 

[RF667799]

You’re telling us there is nothing further that can or should be done to reduce the death rate- and being the free and proud people that we are, we just have to learn to wallow in blood and gore- all to protect your freedoms for target practice on empty beer cans with military weapons.

I told you all that? I say you're lying.

 

[ataraxia]

I told you all that? I say you're lying.

You need to improve your gaslighting skills. This is pretty amateur.

 

[BabaVoss]

WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY PREDICTED SUCH A THING???

 

[RF667799]

Since the narrative is the number of people killed or injured by firearms, "firearm violence" is the appropriate term and is well-documented in the public health literature.

It's like it's impossible for you to abandon the baby talk.

 

[RF667799]

You need to improve your gaslighting skills. This is pretty amateur.

I notice you didn't show where I said all that you're claiming I said.

 

[RF667799]

If you store your guns safely and somebody smart breaks into your house you're probably not going to have time to get to it and you'll be dead or kidnapped anyway.

If you don't store your guns safely then there is a higher percentage chance there's going to be a gun accident.

That's it. That's the math.

That isn't math.

Go see if you can find a meme. Your own words fail you badly.