Boo Radley
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Unlike you I will accept the legal decision of the SCOTUS.........Morally I will never accept it though.
I don't debate. It's a waste of time and energy. My viewpoint isn't going to be changed and it's unlikely anyone else's will be either. I simply make my points and state my opinion. If you don't want to accept them, fine. Just don't expect me to give any credence to anything anyone else says either.
This is good news.....Maybe we can finally get this issue settled.
Who says I don't accept them? Are you talking to someone other than me?
But iusse do come before the courts again and again. You know that, right?
These laws are harmful to gays and quickly becoming toxic for Republicans, so I agree that this issue should be settled ASAP. I would love a strong pair of decisions in favor of gay rights.
You call yourself a Conservative but you don't have Conservative values....shame on you.
I can only go by Roe V Wade and that has not happened.
These laws/bans harm gays and are quickly becoming toxic for Republicans, so I agree that this issue should be settled ASAP. I would love a strong pair of decisions in favor of gay rights.
It certainly would put the issue aside, but I do not expect broad sweeping "You go Girl!" rulings from the SCOTUS. I do not believe that it is toxic for the GOP except amongst those who wouldn't vote for the GOP to begin with.
It certainly would put the issue aside, but I do not expect broad sweeping "You go Girl!" rulings from the SCOTUS. I do not believe that it is toxic for the GOP except amongst those who wouldn't vote for the GOP to begin with.
Doesn't change my position as I was aware of their existence prior to making it. I have yet to see an election credited to having been won or lost by the LCR's. Provide me that data, and maybe I will reconsider.
You call yourself a Conservative but you don't have Conservative values....shame on you.
I can only go by Roe V Wade and that has not happened.
It's not about that, it's about the future generations of people the republican party needs in order to remain relevant.
Again, it's a telling thing, to just about anyone, when republicans supports rights for SOME, but not for all.
I support the right of gays to have guns if that is what you are hinting around at. The GOP does not need gays in the future to be relevant--they need Hispanics or the rising sea levels to wipe out Miami, NYC, Philly, LA, and SF.
You're still not getting it. It's not about gay folk, it's about the vast multitudes that SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS.
All they want is to have everything I have with my wife, granted us by the state, the day we signed our marriage license. It's NOT a religious institute, at the state level, it's a legally binding partnership that grants multiple tax and insurance benefits, as well as power of attourny, should it ever bee needed, amongst other things. All for the low low price of 50 bucks.
What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party.
I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.
What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
It's not about winning over the gays.
Then what did you mean by "If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party". If it is not about winning votes, there is no other relevance in politics. Cold hard truth.
Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.
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