Supreme Court upholds Tennessee’s ban on gender-affirming care for trans youth

[rahl]

I agree with much of what you said and including this but I do have to have a little sympathy for the parents. Essentially their apprehension is met with the ultimatum of have a dead daughter or a living son or a dead son in a living daughter.

This is a false dichotomy. 90% of childhood gender dysphoria resolved naturally by adulthood. It’s not, get your dick chopped off or commit suicide.

They think they are doing something right for their kid they don't know. The abuse is from the medical industry. There are a handful of examples where parents particularly mothers coerce their children into it, but I think that's an extreme and rare.

I think a lot of people see this as a battle. Where transitioning kids is ground they fought for and giving it up means who they're fighting against will be closer to them and there is certainly some truth in that. You can't argue that there's not people that want to ban transition for everyone they're certainly is. However I don't agree with that if you want to transition and you're an adult go ahead.

 

[CLAX1911]

Meaningless appeal to authority. It isn’t healthcare.

Yeah this idea of calling this healthcare seems to be a doorway into essentially obliterating childhood.

If I have a 9-year-old that identifies as someone with a face tattoo and he threatens to kill himself unless I let him get a face tattoo that's less harmful than puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

 

[CLAX1911]

This is a false dichotomy.

Yes I agree it absolutely is a false dichotomy. Often times these are used to manipulate people.

I just wanted to point out someone made this point to me that when a medical practitioner gives you a false dichotomy and it's essentially you're killing your child or you're doing this weird experiment that for some reason is political.

Losing a child is tragic. Losing them to suicide is probably worse I'm not a parent but I think I would imagine this to be one of my greatest fears if I was.

90% of childhood gender dysphoria resolved naturally by adulthood. It’s not, get your dick chopped off or commit suicide.

Agreed I think the number of resolutions is probably higher than that but I agree with your point.

 

[CLAX1911]

Help me understand the logic. You support a policy that makes their suicide rate go up but express concern for them -

It has not been determined that this is the case. The only people seeming to make this case seem to have way too much interest in transitioning kids.

and with absolutely no evidence that supports youre position.

There's absolutely no evidence that supports the claim that it's causing suicide to increase.

There are no statistics showing that a raft of transgenders oppose the treatment they received because things turned out badly. I have heard of one or two.

Well I could make this case about children consuming alcohol or marijuana. 80% of the people I know drank alcohol and smoked marijuana before they were 18. The number of times that turned out badly for them out of the people I know is 0%.

Your arguments are rife with emotion, as the first sentence in your post above bears out, and a clear lack of knowledge -

It's not lack of knowledge it's lack of accepting your claims.

typified by your suggestion that all the experts just happen to be wrong.

What makes an expert right?

 

[CLAX1911]

So knowing (I assume you know, I can provide a citation if needed) that the suicide rate for young transgenders is high,

It would suggest that it's probably a good idea not to fit this demographic.

It's more likely that the incongruence that they will always be living in and never being able to measure up to what they're supposed to be causes them depression, then just accepting themselves for who they are.

is it surprising that it would go up if an option where evidence of later regret is scant, was eliminated?

Seems like common sense.

Yeah I'm familiar with manipulation of data to help make things seem like they're common sense.