Supreme Court upholds Tennessee’s ban on gender-affirming care for trans youth

[Gatsby]

Then make that argument. The decisions aren't up to the kids. Its just bullshit.

OK. Kids shouldn't be able to mutilate their genitals because they're dumb kids, and parents shouldn't be able to consent on their kids' behalf because they're bad parents. There.

Look, you all seem pretty cool with trans youth committing suicide, so why are you arguing on their behalf?

I'm curious, do you actually think this is a compelling argument to anyone who isn't already a part of this religion? It's not 2015 anymore, the crybully routine isn't going to work anymore, and your agenda is losing all over the world. Well, except Canada for some reason.

 

[CLAX1911]

Uh, the request comes from the kid.

Parent should say no.

You think this is something parents foist on their kids?

No not necessarily sometimes it is. I think it's a trend that has been made popular in kids to think they want this for the rest of their life and don't realize that things are going to change when they get a little older.

It's a violation of children's rights make life altering decisions in their childhood for them.

 

[CLAX1911]

Uh, the request comes from the kid. You think this is something parents foist on their kids?

Also you didn't address this.

Then why couldn't Chase strangio show this as part of her argument to the supreme Court?

Strangio tried to make the argument that depriving youth of transgender medicalization will cause them to commit suicide. The stakes were never higher and she couldn't deliver.

So this idea that people commit suicide if they don't get life-altering surgeries at 14 years old is not supported.

 

[Lisa]

Then why couldn't Chase strangio show this as part of her argument to the supreme Court?

This is from the ACLU,

Last December, after hundreds of hours of preparation, I argued before the Supreme Court in U.S. v. Skrmetti.


In this case, the ACLU challenged a Tennessee ban on lifesaving health care for transgender youth. It breaks my heart to tell you that on Wednesday, the Supreme Court ruled to uphold the ban – but I want you to know this fight isn't over.


To my trans family and every ally in this community, I am not backing down, the ACLU is not backing down, and we never will.


Our fight for trans people's right to exist and to access lifesaving health care just became that much more all-important. If you're with us at this moment, please make a gift to the ACLU today to fuel our critical work.


Here are a few key things to take away from the Court's decision:


Though this loss is devastating, we still have powerful tools to protect gender-affirming health care and transgender rights.


Critically, the Skrmetti ruling avoids commenting on President Trump's unlawful abuse of power against transgender people. We won't back down from the fight for trans rights – and we'll continue challenging presidential abuse of power as we have for 19 presidents over the last century.


I know this is a tough moment, but with your sustained support, the ACLU will be equipped to fight in the courts, legislatures, and communities across the country to protect trans rights – and the rights of all people nationwide today and beyond. Will you make a donation now to help keep this critical work going?


Thanks for everything you do.


In solidarity,


Chase Strangio
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Co-Director, ACLU LGBTQ & HIV Rights Project

 

[CLAX1911]

This is from the ACLU,

When she had to argue with facts proven through studies she faltered. It was at that point everyone stopped believing this crap about children committing suicide if they don't get gender affirming care.

 

[j brown's body]

OK. Kids shouldn't be able to mutilate their genitals because they're dumb kids, and parents shouldn't be able to consent on their kids' behalf because they're bad parents. There.


I'm curious, do you actually think this is a compelling argument to anyone who isn't already a part of this religion? It's not 2015 anymore, the crybully routine isn't going to work anymore, and your agenda is losing all over the world. Well, except Canada for some reason.

Help me understand the logic. You support a policy that makes their suicide rate go up but express concern for them - and with absolutely no evidence that supports youre position. There are no statistics showing that a raft of transgenders oppose the treatment they received because things turned out badly. I have heard of one or two.

Your arguments are rife with emotion, as the first sentence in your post above bears out, and a clear lack of knowledge - typified by your suggestion that all the experts just happen to be wrong.

 

[j brown's body]

Also you didn't address this.

Strangio tried to make the argument that depriving youth of transgender medicalization will cause them to commit suicide. The stakes were never higher and she couldn't deliver.

So this idea that people commit suicide if they don't get life-altering surgeries at 14 years old is not supported.

Sorry, man, I'm not going to hop from one of your diversions to another because your previous argument failed.

 

[Gatsby]

Help me understand the logic. You support a policy that makes their suicide rate go up but express concern for them - and with absolutely no evidence that supports youre position. There are no statistics showing that a raft of transgenders oppose the treatment they received because things turned out badly. I have heard of one or two.

There are no statistics showing that mutilating children's genitalia reduces the suicide rate.

Your arguments are rife with emotion, as the first sentence in your post above bears out, and a clear lack of knowledge - typified by your suggestion that all the experts just happen to be wrong.

"All the experts" meaning the ones who happen to agree with you. Tellingly, they are almost entirely located in the United States or Canada. The European countries that pioneered this garbage have all walked it back, and most of the rest of the world was never on board with it in the first place. Unless North American kids are a different species than kids in other parts of the world, this fact pattern indicates ideological capture of institutions.

 

[j brown's body]

There are no statistics showing that mutilating children's genitalia reduces the suicide rate.

"All the experts" meaning the ones who happen to agree with you. Tellingly, they are almost entirely located in the United States or Canada. The European countries that pioneered this garbage have all walked it back, and most of the rest of the world was never on board with it in the first place. Unless North American kids are a different species than kids in other parts of the world, this fact pattern indicates ideological capture of institutions.

Attempts were lower and went up with the laws.

You don't mind kids are committing suicide.
You disparage the process.
You disparage the experts.
You have no evidence its a problem.

You sound like Fox news.

 

[j brown's body]

Just in time!

Trump To Shut Down LGBTQ Suicide Hotline

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2025/06/people-will-die-shock-over-trump-shutting-down-lgbtq-youth-suicide-hotline-is-growing/ Someone explain one single reason to do this other than hatred.

debatepolitics.com

 

[Gatsby]

Attempts were lower and went up with the laws.

[citation needed]

 

[j brown's body]

[citation needed]

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

 

[CLAX1911]

Sorry, man, I'm not going to hop from one of your diversions to another because your previous argument failed.

It was a direct response to your statement.

You peddle this suicide grift. There is not significant evidence backing it up

 

[CLAX1911]

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

I keep hearing about these anti-trans laws but nobody says what they are

 

[Gatsby]

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

I'll look into the paper, but right away I note a very big red flag:

States that passed anti-transgender laws aimed at minors saw suicide attempts by transgender and gender nonconforming teenagers increase by as much as 72% in the following years, a new study by The Trevor Project says.

This is hardly an impartial observer looking to gather objective data. This is very much a political advocacy study looking to get a specific result. That doesn't mean they are necessarily wrong, but it should warrant extreme skepticism about their results.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'll look into the paper, but right away I note a very big red flag:


This is hardly an impartial observer looking to gather objective data. This is very much a political advocacy study looking to get a specific result. That doesn't mean they are necessarily wrong, but it should warrant extreme skepticism about their results.

Also I would ask and I will ask the people making comments several times to no avail, what is an anti-transgender law?

Could the suicides increase because of fear-mongering stating a laws anti-transgender in the state hates you and you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life because of the state without really explaining what the law says.

Even the Tennessee law is specific about certain things related to so-called gender affirming care.

 

[j brown's body]

I'll look into the paper, but right away I note a very big red flag:


This is hardly an impartial observer looking to gather objective data. This is very much a political advocacy study looking to get a specific result. That doesn't mean they are necessarily wrong, but it should warrant extreme skepticism about their results.

So knowing (I assume you know, I can provide a citation if needed) that the suicide rate for young transgenders is high, is it surprising that it would go up if an option where evidence of later regret is scant, was eliminated?

Seems like common sense.

 

[Gatsby]

Also I would ask and I will ask the people making comments several times to no avail, what is an anti-transgender law?

Could the suicides increase because of fear-mongering stating a laws anti-transgender in the state hates you and you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life because of the state without really explaining what the law says.

Even the Tennessee law is specific about certain things related to so-called gender affirming care.

Yep, that does appear to be a flaw in the study. Without a clear, objective definition of what constitutes an "anti-transgender law" which was established before the study period began, it's very easy to retroactively look at suicide rates and decides this law counts but not that one, depending on what conclusion one is trying to reach and what the suicide numbers in various states look like over the time period.

 

[rahl]

I don't understand this argument other than to fill space.

What part of subjecting minors to mutilating surgeries, and u approved drugs is confusing you.

It makes no sense. Their parents would obviously be giving the authorization.

Parents consenting to child abuse doesn’t excuse it.

You all are coming after it for adults next.

I do t care what elective procedures delusional adults want to get. We just won’t be allowing this stupidity to be done to kids any longer.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yep, that does appear to be a flaw in the study. Without a clear, objective definition of what constitutes an "anti-transgender law" which was established before the study period began, it's very easy to retroactively look at suicide rates and decides this law counts but not that one, depending on what conclusion one is trying to reach and what the suicide numbers in various states look like over the time period.

I'm trying to find video of the argument Chase strangio presented to the supreme Court regarding inflated suicides among trans youth.

It is a little difficult to find rest assured when I do I'll post it.

Chase strangio is a member of the ACLU and she is also transgender. When she argued that youth with gender dysphoria have a higher rate of suicide without treatment. And when challenged she had to admit that she didn't have enough data to suggest that this was the case. The data isn't there transitioning youth outside of a few very rare instances is extraordinarily new.

 

[rahl]

The American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association say its a matter of health care.

Meaningless appeal to authority. It isn’t healthcare.

 

[rahl]

L

The higher rates of suicide attempts by young transgenders in states that prohibit this care is not due to the doctors.

you can’t support this claim.

 

[CLAX1911]

What part of subjecting minors to mutilating surgeries, and u approved drugs is confusing you.

Parents consenting to child abuse doesn’t excuse it.

I agree with much of what you said and including this but I do have to have a little sympathy for the parents. Essentially their apprehension is met with the ultimatum of have a dead daughter or a living son or a dead son in a living daughter.

They think they are doing something right for their kid they don't know. The abuse is from the medical industry. There are a handful of examples where parents particularly mothers coerce their children into it, but I think that's an extreme and rare.

I do t care what elective procedures delusional adults want to get. We just won’t be allowing this stupidity to be done to kids any longer.

I think a lot of people see this as a battle. Where transitioning kids is ground they fought for and giving it up means who they're fighting against will be closer to them and there is certainly some truth in that. You can't argue that there's not people that want to ban transition for everyone they're certainly is. However I don't agree with that if you want to transition and you're an adult go ahead.

 

[rahl]

Help me understand the logic. You support a policy that makes their suicide rate go up

You can not support this claim

but express concern for them - and with absolutely no evidence that supports youre position. There are no statistics showing that a raft of transgenders oppose the treatment they received because things turned out badly. I have heard of one or two.

Your arguments are rife with emotion, as the first sentence in your post above bears out, and a clear lack of knowledge - typified by your suggestion that all the experts just happen to be wrong.

 

[CLAX1911]

L

you can’t support this claim.

You are correct, An ACLU representative couldn't support this in the supreme Court case.