SUPPORT THE TROOPS!! (bring them home)

[MSgt]

And what do the violent actions of certain people in the aftermath of Katrina
say about American society. Is it too broken; socially, governmentally, educationaly and economically? I am open-minded enough to attribute these violent crimes to be committed by the minority, but also to be telling of certain problems in the U.S., i.e. gun crime, poverty, racism and runaway military budgets and a government no longer accountable to the people. But I don't blame the American people, nor would I say that American society is broken, but when in the face of the largest disaster to hit the U.S. the people cannot unite together, then I would worry more about the fabric of your own society before judging those you know nothing about.

Your comparing the jackasses in N.O. that took advantage of a situation to an entire failing civilization in the Middle East? Do you know nothing about the Middle East? I've studied it for under a decade, but common sense should prevail here. You don't even have a clue as to what I'm talking about do you?

 

[kal-el]

Kal-el answer that.

Was it honorable amidst the suposed reasons of going into iraq and amidst the very few bad cases of civilian deaths was it still honorable and just for the US to invade and remove sadaam?

Yes or no question. Please answer. Truth bringer did and I merit him a fair and honest man. Care to answer?

Hell no it wasn't. Saddam was no threat to us, nor to his neighbors, we didn't have a coalition (except maybe the UK and Australia), there was no connection between Iraq and al-Qeada, Iraq wasn't behind 9/11, Iraqi's, after a while that is, didn't welcome us as liberators, and we can't bring democracy to 95% of the world, when we represent 5%.

 

[MSgt]

Hell no it wasn't. Saddam was no threat to us, nor to his neighbors, we didn't have a coalition (except maybe the UK and Australia), there was no connection between Iraq and al-Qeada, Iraq wasn't behind 9/11, Iraqi's, after a while that is, didn't welcome us as liberators, and we can't bring democracy to 95% of the world, when we represent 5%.

False statement. The majority of Iraqis want us to finish what we started. You hold the minority Sunni that make up the core of the insurgency to close to your heart.

The question he asked did not involve the WMD or the 9/11 issue that war opposers use to turn their backs on the moral issue. He asked if the halting of legalized rape for girls as young a 12 and the abitrary murder of people that soldiers needed to train on and the whimsical executions of people that may not have had enough pictures of Saddam in their house, a noble, just, and honorable cause?

In other words...is your life more important than theirs because you are American?

Yes or no?

 

[ban.the.electoral.college]

And what do the violent actions of certain people in the aftermath of Katrina
say about American society. Is it too broken; socially, governmentally, educationaly and economically? I am open-minded enough to attribute these violent crimes to be committed by the minority, but also to be telling of certain problems in the U.S., i.e. gun crime, poverty, racism and runaway military budgets and a government no longer accountable to the people. But I don't blame the American people, nor would I say that American society is broken, but when in the face of the largest disaster to hit the U.S. the people cannot unite together, then I would worry more about the fabric of your own society before judging those you know nothing about.

Although I agree with you on many points, I should point out that our citizens have done much to unite. Churches are cooking 3 meals a day for the displaced, and providing tents, and clothing. The Red Cross has collected blood, and money and swung into action. Tons of food has been donated by ordinary citizens to be distributed. There is much being done. Our government did drop the ball. Fema is still working on getting a handle on things. It's a sad and telling time of the condition of our nation. And GW's true colors have shown once again. Not to mention his favorite color, Yellow.

 

[kal-el]

False statement. The majority of Iraqis want us to finish what we started. You hold the minority Sunni that make up the core of the insurgency to close to your heart.

The question he asked did not involve the WMD or the 9/11 issue that war opposers use to turn their backs on the moral issue. He asked if the halting of legalized rape for girls as young a 12 and the abitrary murder of people that soldiers needed to train on and the whimsical executions of people that may not have had enough pictures of Saddam in their house, a noble cause?

In other words...is your life more important than theirs because you are American?

Yes or no?

How is this false? It is undoubtedly true. There were no al-Qeada links. Rummy claimed there was "bullet-proof" evidence of it, none found. Except a meeting in Prague between an Iraqi and Mohammed Atta. Saddam was no threat to his neigbors, Turkey, Sa, Jordan, and Egypt and just about every other country in the region, and their populations, implored us not to go to war. And saying Saddam was a danger to us, that's ********,he was alot more powerful when we supported him in the 1980s, actually, he was dramatically weakend as a result of Gulf WarI and UN sanctions through the '90s. And we never had a coalition. Much of Bush's coalition of the willing, was actually a coalition of the bribed, (most of these coalitions'populations' remained vastly opposed to conflict).

Many Iraqis did in fact welcome us as liberators. But within a week, those who didn't were turning out by the tens of thousands in almost daily demonstrations demanding that the occupyiers leave. Democracy for Iraq? Huh? Would that be democracy as in Kuwait?- a country run by a single family, were women can still not vote, or a democracy like our buddies the Saudis? Men and women still can't vote.

As to your other question, no, we were all created equal. I'm suprised to hear you say this, as you say "O, Well, civilians died" or refer to their deaths as "collateral damage."

 

[MSgt]

How is this false? It is undoubtedly true. There were no al-Qeada links. Rummy claimed there was "bullet-proof" evidence of it, none found. Except a meeting in Prague between an Iraqi and Mohammed Atta. Saddam was no threat to his neigbors, Turkey, Sa, Jorda, and Egypt and just about every other country in the region, and their populations, implored us not to go to war. And saying Saddam was a danger to us, that's ********,he was alot more powerful when we supported him in the 1980s, actually, he was dramatically weakend as a result of Gulf WarI and UN sanctions through the '90s. And we never had a coalition. Much of Bush's coalition of the willing, was actually a coalition of the bribed, (most of these coalitions'populations' remained vastly opposed to conflict).

Many Iraqis did in fact welcome us as liberators. But within a week, those who didn't were turning out by the tens of thousands in almost daily demonstrations demanding that the occupyiers leave. Democracy for Iraq? Huh? Would that be democracy as in Kuwait?- a country run by a single family, were women can still not vote, or a democracy like our buddies the Saudis? Men and women still can't vote.

As to your other question, no, we were all created equal. I'm suprised to hear you say this, as you say "O, Well, civilians died" or refer to their deaths as "collateral damage."

Again false statement...the majority of Iraq does not want us to just leave and they were cheering our existence for weeks after Baghdad fell. Dude, I was there, you might as well stop spewing what you don't know.

You've also ignored the question as do many of your kind do.

Here it is again....The question he asked did not involve the WMD or the 9/11 issue that war opposers use to turn their backs on the moral issue. He asked if the halting of legalized rape for girls as young a 12 and the abitrary murder of people that soldiers needed to train on and the whimsical executions of people that may not have had enough pictures of Saddam in their house, a noble, just, and honorable cause?

 

[MSgt]

It's a simple question. Here's your chance to learn something about yourself.

 

[kal-el]

Again false statement...the majority of Iraq does not want us to just leave. and they were cheering our existence for weeks after Baghdad fell. Dude, I was there, you might as well stop spewing what you don't know.

You've also ignored the question as do many of your kind do.

Here it is again....The question he asked did not involve the WMD or the 9/11 issue that war opposers use to turn their backs on the moral issue. He asked if the halting of legalized rape for girls as young a 12 and the abitrary murder of people that soldiers needed to train on and the whimsical executions of people that may not have had enough pictures of Saddam in their house, a noble, just, and honorable cause?

It's terribly easy to not pick apart anything, but instead, condenm everything as false. You and your right-wing chicken hawk friends have collective guilt for these crimes. W needs to be held accountable.

No it's not, cause, as I said before, what do we look like to the rest of the world if we just pick out 1 nation to help? If we are gonna save a few men, women, and children, why not intervene everywhere and save everyone? What do some people have the right to live while at the same time, others don't?

 

[MSgt]

It won't work on me....I don't have an lack of morality issue. I also happen to not be "right-winged". I just no between right and wrong and I have the courage to act upon it. People like you oppose war, but you would rally for a war if we went to war with every country that needs it? You try to use the absence of war in other places as an excuse to help no one? Liberation for all or liberation for none? I don't buy it and no amount of covering up for yourself will make you a better person. It's actually kind of despicable.

You've answered the question and we've learned something about you.

Superman would not approve.

 

[kal-el]

It won't work on me....I don't have an lack of morality issue. I also happen to not be "right-winged". I just no between right and wrong and I have the courage to act upon it. People like you oppose war, but you would rally for a war if we went to war with every country that needs it? You try to use the absence of war in other places as an excuse to help no one? Liberation for all or liberation for none? I don't buy it and no amount of covering up for yourself will make you a better person. It's actually kind of despicable.

You've answered the question and we've learned something about you.

Superman would not approve.

Actually all the pro-war nuts exactly lack that- morality. They have no problem dropping bombs on populations, killing several hundred people in one fell swoop, and think nothing of it, but when 1,800 of our guys die, they think it's the end of the world.

We need to keep up the fight against raging stupidity the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reily, and all the chicken hawks. I say let them do a patrol in Iraq,then watch their attitudes change.

Why not? Superman has super-powers, so he's able to save almost everyone.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Hey dont dodge the question with more rhetorical crap.

Answer it.

 

[MSgt]

Actually all the pro-war nuts exactly lack that- morality. They have no problem dropping bombs on populations, killing several hundred people in one fell swoop, and think nothing of it, but when 1,800 of our guys die, they think it's the end of the world.

We need to keep up the fight against raging stupidity the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reily, and all the chicken hawks. I say let them do a patrol in Iraq,then watch their attitudes change.

Why not? Superman has super-powers, so he's able to save almost everyone.

On the contrary...the "war nuts" believe that the few unfortunate civilian deaths are worth saving the vast majority. The "peace nuts" believe that the majority can suffer, because the few deaths aren't worth it."

 

[kal-el]

Hey dont dodge the question with more rhetorical crap.

Answer it.

I did if you can read. My last post, the last paragraph, that is post #384.

 

[gdalton]

Ok I just have to say this, anyone who has not been to Iraq has no right to say whether or not Iraqi’s want us there. Screw the pres, these guys were there fighting this war and they know a little better then we do sitting on our couches watching this play out on CNN. Even if you do not like this war you little pricks should show a little respect to the men and women who volunteer to keep your sorry asses safe.

Sorry I just get mad when people attack soldiers personally.

 

[MSgt]

Ok I just have to say this, anyone who has not been to Iraq has no right to say whether or not Iraqi’s want us there. Screw the pres, these guys were there fighting this war and they know a little better then we do sitting on our couches watching this play out on CNN. Even if you do not like this war you little pricks should show a little respect to the men and women who volunteer to keep your sorry asses safe.

Sorry I just get mad when people attack soldiers personally.

Now this...is supporting the troops. Thanks.

 

[gdalton]

Now this...is supporting the troops. Thanks.

No, thank you sarge and everyone in uniform who protects us. (did I spell sarge write? )

 

[MSgt]

No, thank you sarge and everyone in uniform who protects us. (did I spell sarge write? )

No, but I always screw it up too. "Sergeant"

Call me Gunny.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Sorry I just get mad when people attack soldiers personally

Its about time another person joins the forum with common sense.

No, but I always screw it up too. "Sergeant"

Call me Gunny.

And you can now call me cadet, :lol: .

I was a 2nd class in the navy.

 

[kal-el]

Ok I just have to say this, anyone who has not been to Iraq has no right to say whether or not Iraqi’s want us there. Screw the pres, these guys were there fighting this war and they know a little better then we do sitting on our couches watching this play out on CNN. Even if you do not like this war you little pricks should show a little respect to the men and women who volunteer to keep your sorry asses safe.

Sorry I just get mad when people attack soldiers personally.

That's ridiculous. I'm an American citizen. By my first Amendment right I have the right to voice my opinion. If only people who went to war were to voice they're opinions, what kind of a debate would that be, just one-sided? Saying that I have no right to voice my opinion, you are being exactly like the party we overthru in Iraq. Repressive. By saying things like, "Aw shuks guys, we're already there, we have to finish our job"- quite frankly, that is a ******** position.

 

[SKILMATIC]

That's ridiculous. I'm an American citizen. By my first Amendment right I have the right to voice my opinion. If only people who went to war were to voice they're opinions, what kind of a debate would that be, just one-sided? Saying that I have no right to voice my opinion, you are being exactly like the party we overthru in Iraq. Repressive. By saying things like, "Aw shuks guys, we're already there, we have to finish our job"- quite frankly, that is a ******** position.

Your right you do have the right to voice your opinion no matter how rediculous it is and if your opinion is you know more about whats going on in the world 10thousand miles away on your cumfy couch than that of soldiers who are there on a daily basis then you are a very funny individual, :rofl

 

[gdalton]

That's ridiculous. I'm an American citizen. By my first Amendment right I have the right to voice my opinion. If only people who went to war were to voice they're opinions, what kind of a debate would that be, just one-sided? Saying that I have no right to voice my opinion, you are being exactly like the party we overthru in Iraq. Repressive. By saying things like, "Aw shuks guys, we're already there, we have to finish our job"- quite frankly, that is a ******** position.

You are correct, due to courage of the men and women who protect you’re freedom, you can say what ever dumb ass thing that comes into your little mind.

 

[SKILMATIC]

You are correct, due to courage of the men and women who protect you’re freedom, you can say what ever dumb ass thing that comes into your little mind.

Lol, ok now i wasnt that harsh

 

[kal-el]

That's real mature guys. Just cause you "turn a blind eye" to the facts, and fail to comment on the bulk of my posts, you just write it off as erroneous. That's real good bipartisan discourse right there!

 

[SKILMATIC]

ow do you expect us to comment on opinions? We need at least a ounce of evidentiary support dude. If not it is erraneous and irrelevant. Care to differ?

 

[kal-el]

ow do you expect us to comment on opinions? We need at least a ounce of evidentiary support dude. If not it is erraneous and irrelevant. Care to differ?

Dude, opinions are abundant, everyone has one. I would get rather fatigued providing a link to every single little thing I post just to make you happy.