STOP pretending about guns[W:687]

[apdst]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Again, can you quote me advocating that?

Or are you simply happy with slurring me and inventing your own crap and attributing it falsely to me?

Should this weapon be banned?

 

[apdst]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

You better alert the Supreme Court about that.

I already have.

 

[Critter7r]

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and gun banners like him will scream we are paranoid for thinking that gun bans is their end goal

the fact is-once you believe (most don't but its what they publicly claim) that the way to prevent criminals from using guns in violation of all sorts of severe legal sanctions is to ban or restrict honest people from owning said guns, you have already adopted the mental position of a gun banner

Truth is, I'm no "gun banner". I'm pretty ambivalent toward gun regs, mostly because there currently aren't many. I own 2 handguns (.22 and a .45 mag revolver), a .410 shotgun and a .22 rifle. My dad literally has an arsenal in his basement, Chinese AKs, some old WWII era rifles, shotguns, a dozen handguns, you get the idea. And I grew up in rural America and shot a .22 at 6th grade camp (in the 80s).

I've always been pretty moderate, and I think that my 'revolvers and bolt action long guns' is a reasonable place to start talking about guns. But again, nobody has offered up a counter offer of any sort to begin a dialogue.

 

[Goshin]

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Truth is, I'm no "gun banner". I'm pretty ambivalent toward gun regs, mostly because there currently aren't many. I own 2 handguns (.22 and a .45 mag revolver), a .410 shotgun and a .22 rifle. My dad literally has an arsenal in his basement, Chinese AKs, some old WWII era rifles, shotguns, a dozen handguns, you get the idea. And I grew up in rural America and shot a .22 at 6th grade camp (in the 80s).

I've always been pretty moderate, and I think that my 'revolvers and bolt action long guns' is a reasonable place to start talking about guns. But again, nobody has offered up a counter offer of any sort to begin a dialogue.

Actually I did.

Compromise is truly a lost art. In real compromise, everyone gets something.


You might find we'd be willing to accept UBC for all sales if you offered to make national reciprocity for CCW a thing.

You might find we'd be ok with moving bumpfire stocks to Class III if you passed the Hearing Protection Act so suppressors weren't so hard to get.

Want people to get training? Make it a free course for seniors in HS and I'll be on board with ya.


But we never get reasonable counter-offers.

 

[haymarket]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Well damn Hay just admit you hate the Constitution and want to scrap it, why doncha. Sounds that way.

Not at all. I was just explaining why we have the electoral system that we do have. And its the truth. If there is something factually wrong with my explanation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.

 

[haymarket]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Just look at their pitiful track on the subject!

Not what I asked.

 

[Critter7r]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

A "starting point"? You would have done better to say that was the ending point. That's why we can't trust you and are forced to assume that the "ending point" is an all out ban.

Do you know what "negotiation" means? It doesn't mean "this is the only position I'm willing to accept, take it or leave it". It means "here's what I think is a good offer. What's your offer?".

 

[haymarket]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Should this weapon be banned?

I don't know. Tell me all about it.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Not what I asked.

Yes it is.

 

[apdst]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Truth is, I'm no "gun banner". I'm pretty ambivalent toward gun regs, mostly because there currently aren't many. I own 2 handguns (.22 and a .45 mag revolver), a .410 shotgun and a .22 rifle. My dad literally has an arsenal in his basement, Chinese AKs, some old WWII era rifles, shotguns, a dozen handguns, you get the idea. And I grew up in rural America and shot a .22 at 6th grade camp (in the 80s).

I've always been pretty moderate, and I think that my 'revolvers and bolt action long guns' is a reasonable place to start talking about guns. But again, nobody has offered up a counter offer of any sort to begin a dialogue.

Ya see, dude. This is why we can't believe you.

 

[Goshin]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Not at all. I was just explaining why we have the electoral system that we do have. And its the truth. If there is something factually wrong with my explanation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.

The way you put it was slanted to dis the idea that there need to be some limits on the power of the majority.

The Founders rightly feared that a majority could potentially be just as tyrannical as a king. Hence the BoR, checks and balances, etc.

 

[Critter7r]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Compromise is truly a lost art. In real compromise, everyone gets something.


You might find we'd be willing to accept UBC for all sales if you offered to make national reciprocity for CCW a thing.

You might find we'd be ok with moving bumpfire stocks to Class III if you passed the Hearing Protection Act so suppressors weren't so hard to get.

Want people to get training? Make it a free course for seniors in HS and I'll be on board with ya.


But we never get reasonable counter-offers.

Halleluja!! Someone that knows what "negotiating" is !!!

Thank you for offering up what appear to be reasonable compromises.

I think UBC *AND* reciprocity both need to be in place.

Bumpstocks are effectively no different than purchasing an automatic weapon, I'd love to see them disappear. And I don't think silencers are a big deal. Not sure what the hubbub about them is, quite frankly, let's make them legal.

Gun safety classes in school!! I love it! Maybe we could use BB guns in junior high (?) to reduce the risk and increase exposure to guns.

 

[Hawkeye10]

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they claim gun violence is a "disease" killing America

would you ask a doctor to prescribe treatment for a disease that he cannot even accurately describe?

the people who most scream for gun control as a cure are absolutely clueless about guns

That reminds me of how for a bunch of years till very recently when ever I would go to a military doctor they were ordered to ask me some version of "Are you being abused at home?", no doubt under the same theory that domestic violence is a disease so this question of part of doctoring. What it did was sour the patient doctor relationship on medical matters, the stuff we are supposed to be working on, the reason we are there.

Some of this stuff we come up with these days sounds all comfy and helpful, but in practice does not work.

 

[Critter7r]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

You wont do anything about a problem advocating for stupid laws that dont work or pushing leftist ideologies.

Let me ask you something. You are on about 'guns' in this thread...even talking about eliminating all but a certain category YOU deem acceptable. So tell me...

What was the motivation behind the Las Vegas shooting incident?

See, LV isn't even on my radar for this discussion. We really can't stop every single crazy person from carrying out some atrocity, somewhere, sometimes. I get that. I don't really think that Paddock's motivation has much bearing on the discussion of actually curtailing gun deaths.

 

[Goshin]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Halleluja!! Someone that knows what "negotiating" is !!!

Thank you for offering up what appear to be reasonable compromises.

I think UBC *AND* reciprocity both need to be in place.

Bumpstocks are effectively no different than purchasing an automatic weapon, I'd love to see them disappear. And I don't think silencers are a big deal. Not sure what the hubbub about them is, quite frankly, let's make them legal.

Gun safety classes in school!! I love it! Maybe we could use BB guns in junior high (?) to reduce the risk and increase exposure to guns.

Well, there ya go, we've found some things we can agree on.


Now we just need to get Pelosi and Feinstein to get a clue...


I'll call Wayne La' and see if he's down with the struggle...

 

[TurtleDude]

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Halleluja!! Someone that knows what "negotiating" is !!!

Thank you for offering up what appear to be reasonable compromises.

I think UBC *AND* reciprocity both need to be in place.

Bumpstocks are effectively no different than purchasing an automatic weapon, I'd love to see them disappear. And I don't think silencers are a big deal. Not sure what the hubbub about them is, quite frankly, let's make them legal.

Gun safety classes in school!! I love it! Maybe we could use BB guns in junior high (?) to reduce the risk and increase exposure to guns.

since anyone with a little knowledge can replicate bump fire without one, I suppose you want to ban semi autos or the old crank fired gatling guns that have never been subject to federal bans

you want to get rid of bumpfire without a stupid law

get rid of another stupid law

if machine guns made after may 1986 were not banned and people could buy them-even with the stupid NFA BS-they would not cost more the average american makes in half a year. normal middle class people could own them and the bumpfires would disappear

 

[apdst]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Do you know what "negotiation" means? It doesn't mean "this is the only position I'm willing to accept, take it or leave it". It means "here's what I think is a good offer. What's your offer?".

My offer? Leave my 2nd Amendment rights alone. Make the dearh penalty mandatory for all gun murders; life in prison for all gun crimes where there were no fatalities.

 

[VanceMack]

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See, LV isn't even on my radar for this discussion. We really can't stop every single crazy person from carrying out some atrocity, somewhere, sometimes. I get that. I don't really think that Paddock's motivation has much bearing on the discussion of actually curtailing gun deaths.

Then surely you re aware that semiautomatic rifles make up only the tiniest percentag of total gun deaths...and that advocating for a ban on semiautomatic rifles would be ...foolish.

Right? I mean...since its JUST about gun violence...

Right?

 

[VanceMack]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Halleluja!! Someone that knows what "negotiating" is !!!

Thank you for offering up what appear to be reasonable compromises.

I think UBC *AND* reciprocity both need to be in place.

Bumpstocks are effectively no different than purchasing an automatic weapon, I'd love to see them disappear. And I don't think silencers are a big deal. Not sure what the hubbub about them is, quite frankly, let's make them legal.

Gun safety classes in school!! I love it! Maybe we could use BB guns in junior high (?) to reduce the risk and increase exposure to guns.

Do you get what you are saying? Its the equivalence of some guy walking up to you on the street and telling you "Ive decided you are going to get ****ed and there's no dialogue to be had about that...its happening. The question we need to have now is a negotiation on how you want to take it."

 

[Critter7r]

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Your version of compromise is offering us a little lube so maybe it won't hurt so much when you **** us over.

Wait, what ... ?

Didn't you just type up that eloquent post about negotiations being a lost art that I responded very favorably to???

 

[apdst]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

I don't know. Tell me all about it.

It's a Gatlin Gun. You don't know what that is, or are you being obtuse?

 

[Critter7r]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Actually I did.

Yes, and then told me I want to **** everyone over after I responded to it.

But yeah, the responses are coming fast, and you posted before I had finished typing my comment.

 

[Critter7r]

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Ya see, dude. This is why we can't believe you.

Soory, .44 mag ... typo. or autocorrect.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

There is no such thing in the Second Amendment. It forbids the right from being INFRINGED - not exercised.

LOL!!

Well, there you go with your gun-banner logic.

"Oh, you can keep and bear arms...but we won't allow you to "use" them."

 

[Goshin]

Re: STOP pretending about guns

Wait, what ... ?

Didn't you just type up that eloquent post about negotiations being a lost art that I responded very favorably to???

I was referring to your initial offer, regarding SA revolvers and pump guns. Given a lack of palatable counter-offers at the time, it seemed an apt comparison.


In the art of compromise, while it is wise to initially ask for more than you hope for, nonetheless it should not be something so extreme as to make the opposition simply walk away from the table.


If the guy wants 5k for the car, and I want to pay 4k, I don't start off offering $1. He'd be offended and walk away.