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Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea

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Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News
 
Stephen Moore says this? The guy who had to withdraw his nomination to the Fed for being a raging sexist and having horrendous and dangerous economic policy ideas? Ok.


1. Moore can't tell whether prices are going up or down. This is an important thing to know if you're on the Fed, half of whose dual mandate is stable prices.

Moore has repeatedly, and falsely, claimed that the country is experiencing "deflation." That means prices are falling, which they are not. But claiming this gives him cover to argue that the Fed should pump more stimulus into the economy just as Trump begins running for reelection.

Conversely, when we were in the depths of the financial crisis and prices were falling, Moore claimed we were on the brink of Weimar-style hyperinflation. He therefore called on the Fed to tighten monetary policy, which would have crippled the economy — and just coincidentally maimed President Barack Obama.

2. Relatedly, Moore claims official government economic statistics are phony when they don't suit his preferred political narrative.

3. Moore advocates — at least when politically convenient — crank economic ideas, including returning to the gold standard. This idea is roundly rejected by actual economists and would result in much more price volatility.

When called on such nonsense, Moore has claimed he never said such things, even after being presented with video evidence.

4. He cheered the failure of Lehman Brothers, an event that (foreseeably) set off a worldwide financial panic and nearly plunged the entire global economy into another Great Depression. This doesn't inspire confidence in Moore's instincts next time the Fed has to handle a financial crisis.

5. Moore lies, and lies, and lies.

About his own record, and about easily Google-able facts. Now I realize the word "lie" implies knowing intent to mislead, as opposed to possibly ingenuous misstatement of fact. But note that, even after being corrected on his various falsehoods — including about the Volcker Rule, Canadian tariff rates, whether tax cuts have paid for themselves — he has often repeated the exact same falsehood.

So either he's deliberately misinforming the public, or he's like the goldfish who forgets everything immediately after swimming a lap around the bowl.
6. More broadly, Moore prioritizes what's good for his party above what's good for the economy. Which is toxic to an institution that must be politically independent in both practice and perception to function.

You can see this tendency of Moore's in his monetary policy flip-flops, as well as his calls for Trump to fire everyone at the Fed who doesn't do Trump's bidding. Most recently, you can see it in Moore's explanation of the one concern that could persuade him to withdraw his Fed candidacy: if he concluded that sticking around might hurt the GOP.
 
Stephen Moore says this? The guy who had to withdraw his nomination to the Fed for being a raging sexist and having horrendous and dangerous economic policy ideas? Ok.

Great start, a smear job followed by no comments on the subject, got it.
 
Do Trump fans really not remember how the Obama/Biden administration fixed the economy after the Bush financial crisis?
 
Great start, a smear job followed by no comments on the subject, got it.
What is there to even discuss? He has zero credibility, and his current idea is that trillions in stimulus will destroy rather than create jobs, basically just because he said so and because he's a hack.
 
Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

Stephen Moore’s argument is based on an flawed premise that the enhanced unemployment benefits are a deterrent to work. In fact, empirical research has shown no such connection. IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva also said that more stimulus would be appropriate for the United States and that the United States has the fiscal space to provide that stimulus.
 
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Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

The DJIA hit the pre-financial-crisis record high close on about October 8, 2007: about 14,093.08.

Under the "enlightened" guidance and the programs of the Obama-Biden team, we finally got back there more than five years later on February 19,2013.

The pre-Covid DJIA high of 29,102 was posted February 10, 2020. November 23, 2020 was the date we got back there. This in spite of the orchestrated sabotage from the Democrat-Socialist Governors around the country.

The media parrots the propaganda from the Democrat-Socialists that Trump is the worst President of all time. Under Trump, the return to an all time high DJIA seems to have happened quicker.

9 months employing the Trump policies as opposed to 64 months under the oppressive constrictions applied by Obama/Biden team. Seems like Trump's way works better.

Is anyone waking up yet?

 
The DJIA hit the pre-financial-crisis record high close on about October 8, 2007: about 14,093.08.

Under the "enlightened" guidance and the programs of the Obama-Biden team, we finally got back there more than five years later on February 19,2013.

The pre-Covid DJIA high of 29,102 was posted February 10, 2020. November 23, 2020 was the date we got back there. This in spite of the orchestrated sabotage from the Democrat-Socialist Governors around the country.

The media parrots the propaganda from the Democrat-Socialists that Trump is the worst President of all time. Under Trump, the return to an all time high DJIA seems to have happened quicker.

9 months employing the Trump policies as opposed to 64 months under the oppressive constrictions applied by Obama/Biden team. Seems like Trump's way works better.

Is anyone waking up yet?


Why in the world is this the barometer for economic health?
 
This is an example of things to come, all of a sudden the right wing is concerned about deficits and debt.
 
Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

and the "stimulus will cause hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero" lies from the right start right on schedule. Maybe a little early but they have to deflect from Trump's treason. Anyhoo, your editorial says "Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing. " Yet another lie from the lying liars of fox. Here's what the CBO said.


  • Raised the level of real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent,
  • Lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.5 percentage points,
  • Increased the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million, and
  • Increased the number of full-time-equivalent (FTE) jobs by 1.8 million to 4.1 million compared with what those amounts would have been otherwise. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)
Estimated Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act on Employment and Economic Output | Congressional Budget Office (cbo.gov)
 
Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News
Your post is based upon the theory that austerity is really expansionary.
Let's look at Stephen Moore, who you elevate as some kind of economic expert:

Trump planned on nominating Moore for the Fed’s Board of Governors but he managed to get rejected because even Republicans considered him unqualified.
It goes almost without saying that he has been wrong about everything. His track record includes predicting that George W. Bush’s policies would produce a magnificent boom, Barack Obama’s policies would lead to runaway inflation, tax cuts in Kansas would produce a “near immediate” boost to the state’s economy, and much more. And, of course, never an acknowledgment of error or reflection on why he got it wrong.

Beyond that, Moore has a problem with facts. After printing a Moore op-ed in which all the key numbers were wrong, one editor vowed never to publish the man’s work again. And a blizzard of factual errors is standard practice in his writing and speaking. It’s actually hard to find cases where Moore got a fact right.

On your quote:
"President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."
You are absolutely wrong about unemployment leading to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs. After the stimulus was passed, unemployment continued to rise temporarily, because employment is a lagging indicator. After that, unemployment decreased for the rest of Obama's term.

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The takeaway from all of this is that if Stephen Moore thinks that something is going to be bad, it's an indicator that it is good.
 
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Great start, a smear job followed by no comments on the subject, got it.

You'd have better luck if you didn't always rely on the crappiest of sources.
 
If I recall Republicans blocked stimulus funding which caused the recession to drag on for years and resulted in a jobless recovery.
 
That was a given.
Predicted by many. The political party that didn't even consider debt when they rushed through trillions in tax-cuts, that mainly were showered on the rich and corporations, now thinks the added debt at a rate lower than inflation is a reason to reject rescuing American families and small businesses.
 
Predicted by many. The political party that didn't even consider debt when they rushed through trillions in tax-cuts, that mainly were showered on the rich and corporations, now thinks the added debt at a rate lower than inflation is a reason to reject rescuing American families and small businesses.

The other thing to remember about those tax cuts is they expire for citizens in 2025, while the corporate tax cuts are indefinite.
 
Why in the world is this the barometer for economic health?

Didnt you know? The unweighted average of thirty companies that have been getting Federal Reserve Stimulus for years is reflective of health of the overall economy.
 
The DJIA hit the pre-financial-crisis record high close on about October 8, 2007: about 14,093.08.

Under the "enlightened" guidance and the programs of the Obama-Biden team, we finally got back there more than five years later on February 19,2013.

The pre-Covid DJIA high of 29,102 was posted February 10, 2020. November 23, 2020 was the date we got back there. This in spite of the orchestrated sabotage from the Democrat-Socialist Governors around the country.

The media parrots the propaganda from the Democrat-Socialists that Trump is the worst President of all time. Under Trump, the return to an all time high DJIA seems to have happened quicker.

9 months employing the Trump policies as opposed to 64 months under the oppressive constrictions applied by Obama/Biden team. Seems like Trump's way works better.

Is anyone waking up yet?
wow, random numbers and random dates that completely ignore the Bush Mortgage Bubble and Great Bush Recession. and in "random double spaced" format no less. anyhoo, check out this "propaganda from the Democrat-Socialists"


History Shows Stocks, GDP Outperform Under Democrats | Fox Business


dang those media parrots.
 
Great start, a smear job followed by no comments on the subject, got it.
Clicker, where'd you go? Ignoring your silly and hypocritical definition of "smear", MTA and I showed your latest hero is a liar and/ or an imbecile. ( I say both).
 
Mainstream economic theory is pretty clear about the role of fiscal policy. In general, when the economy is weak or in recession, the economy needs fiscal support. When the economy is strong, fiscal restraint is appropriate. There will be a time for fiscal consolidation (tax hikes and/or spending restraint), but that won't be until the economy returns to sustainable growth.

At present, the U.S. economy has shown signs of marked deterioration in recent weeks. The just released advance retail sales report showed a 0.7% decline for December and a revised (downward) 1.4% decline in November. Had follow-up aggressive fiscal stimulus been adopted during the late spring and had that fiscal stimulus included relief for state and local governments (major employers of school teachers, police officers, fire fighters, first responders, etc.), the economy would almost certainly be in better shape than it currently is.

At the same time, had there been a coherent and competent federal strategy for limiting the spread of COVID-19 including widespread adherence to risk mitigation measures such as use of face masks, the pandemic would almost certainly be far less worse than it currently is. Recent peer-reviewed literature explains:

The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high.

More Americans are now dying from COVID-19 each day than were killed during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The resurgence of COVID-19 that has resulted from a catastrophic leadership failure at the federal level is leading to renewed restrictions that are further suppressing economic growth.

President-elect Biden will need to turn around the absence of a credible COVID-19 strategy. Yesterday's national address was a good start in that direction.
 
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