Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea

[code1211]

Yes, we've never seen an American leader fail so entirely and so catastrophically as Trump did with respect to COVID. Good point.

What part of the vaccine do you consider to be a failure?

I seem to recall that when he said he wanted one before the end of the year, his critics called him a liar. Unjustifiably. Again.

The response(s) were run by the state Governors. In New York, it was CUOMO, not Trump, that executed his plan and many of his citizens.

In the past, I have noted that you seem to be in touch with various facts about our medical system.

By what amount did the mortality rate in the United States increase in 2020 vs other years?

Considering the Covid attributed deaths, it should be up by hundreds of thousands driving a much higher percentage. Was it? I can't seem to find a definitive number on this.

 

[code1211]

Trump gave the country CCP talking points about the pandemic. It’s almost like he wanted the worst case scenario here. And that’s what we got.

Blaming the President for the spread of a virus around the world that may have been bred in a Chinese lab and was certainly released there seems to be pretty incoherent.

I wonder how long it will take for Biden to get the national unemployment rate back under 3.5%.

 

[code1211]

This plan has made red states a virtual shithole and is giving us 4K deaths a day.

Republicans have gotten covid so disastrously wrong there’s no way it was an accident. Kushner and Trump using it as a cudgel against blue states created a lot of this mess.

With as much respect as i can muster, the response(s) in each state was led by the Governors of each state.

That is what allowed Cuomo to execute his own plan and so many of his own citizens in the death camps he initiated.

Do you have any actual real world examples of any Blue State Governors asking for help from the FEDS that never came to help against Covid?

 

[Helix]

faux is propaganda.

 

[trouble13]

Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

If Republicans were smart (which they are not) they would give the Democrats all the rope they need to hang themselves with, by simply voting present on all these bad ideas. Give the people what they voted for. Let everyone choke on it. Its the only way anything is gonna change.

 

[trouble13]

Do Trump fans really not remember how the Obama/Biden administration fixed the economy after the Bush financial crisis?

Obama was beloved by wall street. They enjoyed all that fiat money he pumped into their pockets.

 

[Vern]

If Republicans were smart (which they are not) they would give the Democrats all the rope they need to hang themselves with, by simply voting present on all these bad ideas. Give the people what they voted for. Let everyone choke on it. Its the only way anything is gonna change.

Obama was beloved by wall street. They enjoyed all that fiat money he pumped into their pockets.

trouble, shouldnt you first acknowledge that you're responding to a post based on yet another lying conservative "editorial". It was proven a lie by several posters. Dont worry, if anybody really expected honesty from you they would have stopped after reading your second post. who knows exactly what you are referring to so I'll assume you're talking about "stimulus". President Obama's 600 billion is laughably small compared to the 3 trillion trump "pumped into wall street". No shock you obediently flail at President Obama. Every conservative has already proven they are flaming hypocrites concerning deficits and stimulus. Why is integrity never the first choice with you people?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

With as much respect as i can muster, the response(s) in each state was led by the Governors of each state.

That is what allowed Cuomo to execute his own plan and so many of his own citizens in the death camps he initiated.

Do you have any actual real world examples of any Blue State Governors asking for help from the FEDS that never came to help against Covid?

We have 400k real world deaths to prove Trump’s national response was a disaster. First; as the Woodward Tapes showed he lied to us and gave us no means to make choices as to how we protect ourselves; then he openly mocked all measures his own admin was advising; then more rallies openly flouting health guildelines his own administration recommended local authorities put in place. “Anyone who wants a test can get a test.” “We’re rounding the turn.” “40m vaccines by the end of 2020.”

No national testing strategy. No national strategy for vaccine rollout.

If Trump didn’t want it to look like he did it on purpose I don’t know what else it would look like.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Blaming the President for the spread of a virus around the world that may have been bred in a Chinese lab and was certainly released there seems to be pretty incoherent.

I wonder how long it will take for Biden to get the national unemployment rate back under 3.5%.

Incoherent is insisting 15 cases going to zero was a successful response to the virus when we are 400k in American dead.

You mean bring the economy back to what he and Obama left Trump? We’ll see! Markets seem to like the way things are lookin’! I *know* how hard as a Patriotic American you are rooting for your new President and Vice President to succeed.

 

[code1211]

We have 400k real world deaths to prove Trump’s national response was a disaster. First; as the Woodward Tapes showed he lied to us and gave us no means to make choices as to how we protect ourselves; then he openly mocked all measures his own admin was advising; then more rallies openly flouting health guildelines his own administration recommended local authorities put in place. “Anyone who wants a test can get a test.” “We’re rounding the turn.” “40m vaccines by the end of 2020.”

No national testing strategy. No national strategy for vaccine rollout.

If Trump didn’t want it to look like he did it on purpose I don’t know what else it would look like.

Do you have a link to support the 40m vaccines before the end of 2020? What I had understood was 20 million sent out in December. It was actually only 19 million due to production problems by the manufacturer.

Then 30 million vaccines sent in January and then 50 million sent in February. Following that, Moderna, Pfizer and J&J should be flooding the zone. We'll see how the manufacturers do in fulfilling their promises.

Astra Zeneca should join in by March or so.

The actual tests are run by the states. What is so difficult for you to grasp in this? The Constitution in general and the 10th Amendment in specific define this separation of powers.

The Trump Administration worked for Trump. He allowed the all of us to see the conversation behind the scenes displaying incredible transparency.

Dim witted observers seem to have been left confused by this transparency.

 

[danielpalos]

Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

Can Uncle Sam tax, spend, borrow and print money to return America to prosperity? President-elect Joe Biden’s "American Rescue Plan," announced Thursday night, makes a $1.9 trillion bet that we can.

We already know Uncle Sam can win the foreign, alleged wars right wingers claim are for the common Defense not the general warfare or common Offense. When are those historical mistakes going to be abolished or do right wingers have no problem repeating historical mistakes and alleging they are not really like that afterward.

 

[danielpalos]

The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing.

It was the republicans who had nothing but repeal for all of the shovel ready jobs that were scheduled but not funded by Republicans so they could complain about the weak recovery.

 

[code1211]

Incoherent is insisting 15 cases going to zero was a successful response to the virus when we are 400k in American dead.

You mean bring the economy back to what he and Obama left Trump? We’ll see! Markets seem to like the way things are lookin’! I *know* how hard as a Patriotic American you are rooting for your new President and Vice President to succeed.

Your post, like so many made by you, is free of facts, intelligence, logic or sourcing.

I am rooting for Biden and his gang of thugs to promote a good economy for the American people.

There will be many initiatives that he promised to deliver that will be counter productive, stupid, misguided and hurtful to the American person.

A week or so ago, I filled up my tank for less than $2.00/gallon. Under Obama, the goal was $5.00/gallon. The Green New Deal should help to accomplish that again. Average gas price in Indy today is about $2.30/gallon.

Between the higher taxes and the higher energy costs, we should all do just great!

 

[danielpalos]

Casey Mulligan of the University of Chicago and I estimate that at least 4 million jobs would be destroyed by the Biden bill because all of the free money makes work less essential and — in many cases — less financially attractive than getting off the couch and working. That’s some stimulus.

Only Capital must circulate under Capitalism. Capitalists should be upgrading and optimizing for modern pandemic times, merely for their bottom line.

 

[danielpalos]

If the idea here is to create jobs, there is a less expensive and much more effective way to get employers to hire and workers to get back in the labor market. We could completely eliminate for an entire year the 7.5% payroll taxes paid by every small business and taken out of every worker’s paycheck. That would unleash millions of jobs. This would have virtually ZERO administrative and bureaucratic costs. Maybe that’s why Washington pols don’t want to do it.

With no incentive to upgrade and optimize for modern pandemic times. Simply unleashing millions of jobs means nothing without fixing the underlying problems in our economy. Besides, we already know Capitalists prefer stock buybacks to actually helping the People.

 

[danielpalos]

Instead, we now get Phase 7 of debt spending — and Biden wants another trillion-dollar infrastructure bill to follow. (Doesn’t it seem like just yesterday that Democrats opposed President Trump’s tax cut because it would increase the deficit?) Those faux debt hawks have sure flown the coop.

Only because deficit spending by the republicans only helps the Richest get richer not help lift the Poor out of poverty.

America's billionaires have become even richer since Donald Trump became president, and it says a lot about the country's record-high wealth gap

Household wealth has remained relatively flat over the past 30 years. In 2018, the gap between the rich and the poor widened to an all-time high.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[danielpalos]

Biden’s proposals will lift the national debt to above $30 trillion and will likely speed America further along the track to bankruptcy, higher interest rates, higher inflation and much higher taxes. Democrats defend themselves by arguing that Trump ran up the deficit to $27 trillion, so they have license to take our debt even higher into the stratosphere.

Raising the minimum wage to raise tax revenue and upgrading infrastructure is not reckless at all.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Do you have a link to support the 40m vaccines before the end of 2020? What I had understood was 20 million sent out in December. It was actually only 19 million due to production problems by the manufacturer.

Then 30 million vaccines sent in January and then 50 million sent in February. Following that, Moderna, Pfizer and J&J should be flooding the zone. We'll see how the manufacturers do in fulfilling their promises.

Astra Zeneca should join in by March or so.

The actual tests are run by the states. What is so difficult for you to grasp in this? The Constitution in general and the 10th Amendment in specific define this separation of powers.

The Trump Administration worked for Trump. He allowed the all of us to see the conversation behind the scenes displaying incredible transparency.

Dim witted observers seem to have been left confused by this transparency.

Trump also said 15 cases would go to zero!

 

[code1211]

Trump also said 15 cases would go to zero!

Probably will someday. Are you predicting here that it never will?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Probably will someday. Are you predicting here that it never will?

So it’s your claim that Trump’s statement was made GENERALLY speaking, he was not at all commenting on a timeline and expectation of progress for the disease? Do I have your position correctly?

 

[code1211]

So it’s your claim that Trump’s statement was made GENERALLY speaking, he was not at all commenting on a timeline and expectation of progress for the disease? Do I have your position correctly?

No. My claim is that Trump's statement was made in the same way that FDR said that all we had to fear was fear itself.

Neither was accurate. Both were to be consoling. Both were to be encouraging to those who needed hope.

In passing, we are now up to about 30,000 American dead due to Biden's mismanagement of the Coronavirus response. I'm sure we'll be hearing this tally broadcast for Biden as it was for Trump.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

No. My claim is that Trump's statement was made in the same way that FDR said that all we had to fear was fear itself.

Neither was accurate. Both were to be consoling. Both were to be encouraging to those who needed hope.

In passing, we are now up to about 30,000 American dead due to Biden's mismanagement of the Coronavirus response. I'm sure we'll be hearing this tally broadcast for Biden as it was for Trump.

Huh? FDR was speaking generally. Trump was citing numbers and declared a good job well done.

So. Is it your premise that Trump’s comment was made in general and not a specific timeline and prediction?

Further: is it your position that when a hurricane is incoming, it’s best to downplay it so the citizens “feel” good vs trying to protect them?

 

[code1211]

Huh? FDR was speaking generally. Trump was citing numbers and declared a good job well done.

So. Is it your premise that Trump’s comment was made in general and not a specific timeline and prediction?

Further: is it your position that when a hurricane is incoming, it’s best to downplay it so the citizens “feel” good vs trying to protect them?

My contention is that a leader needs to assess the situation and do big things, well targeted, to address big problems that are well defined.

Trump followed the advice of his advisors LIKE FAUCI who said that wearing a mask was not needed.

At the time when Trump was saying that 15 cases was not a huge problem. it wasn't a huge problem.

As you disingenuously quote that remark, please recall that the Democrat-Socialists were cheering the witch tearing up the State of the Union Address that included warnings about the Coronavirus.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

My contention is that a leader needs to assess the situation and do big things, well targeted, to address big problems that are well defined.

Trump followed the advice of his advisors LIKE FAUCI who said that wearing a mask was not needed.

At the time when Trump was saying that 15 cases was not a huge problem. it wasn't a huge problem.

As you disingenuously quote that remark, please recall that the Democrat-Socialists were cheering the witch tearing up the State of the Union Address that included warnings about the Coronavirus.

“when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done”

*You* stated he was just speaking generally here, is that correct?

 

[rickc]

Liberal pols seem to come up with these grandiose schemes to placate their fringes then mediate them later or abandon them altogether and blame the Republicans.

" The Biden plan is almost a replay — except with more than twice the price tag — of the strategy that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden employed in 2009 with their $900 billion "stimulus" bill. Even by Obama’s own numbers, that bill led to hundreds of thousands of fewer jobs than if we had done nothing."

Stephen Moore: Biden’s $1.9 trillion ‘rescue plan’ could destroy 4 million jobs — here’s a better idea | Fox News

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The disinformation network

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