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Star Wars - The Great Hunt =Game Thread=

Here's my response and it is validated by your tracking.

I am the Town Weak Doctor. I can protect someone at night, but if I choose to protect scum, then I am killed. Last night I chose to protect Helix and I am still alive, hence Helix is town.

This is why I believe Helix when he says Tucker is scum. And why I believe Thor is scum. He went to kill Helix and I protected him. That's the purpose behind the "visit". And Thorgasm's responses only confirmed my beliefs. I think that if we lynch Tucker, and I protect Helix, then Helix can use his Vig ability to kill Thor. We should be down to (hopefully) one scum and only lose 1 more townie. I assume that me being the doc and knowing I am going to protect Helix, then I will be the target for a night kill.


VanceMack said:
Thorgasm adopts the nasty side. Well...ok...

Back at the break of this new day I posited that MAYBE the reason there was no night kill was that scum talked, schemed , decided town was already on tilt (read day ones exchanges) and that MAYBE (not definitely but MAYBE) they conferred and decided to no off someone. I don't know if that was a good guess or not. Perhaps there IS another reason why. Don't know. We DO know our bodyguard didnt save anyone because...oh yeah...we killed him (lets be honest...he would have slept through the night and not saved anyone). So. No bodyguard. But... Bodyguard AND a doc? bodyguard, a doc, and a one off bulletproof townie? Didnt seem like a Pasch game to me.

So I set out to dig a little bit...armed with he knowledge that my spies had tracked Thorgasm at my request and that sure enough, he visited with Helix in his room late in the night. I tracked Thor because some of his day one responses seemed a bit hinkey to me. When I asked Helix he did and does insist he had NO IDEA about a late night visitor. But...Thorgasm damn sure did. When I very obviously insinuated HE was the visitor, his immediate response was to accuse and vote for me. Since then, he has made several other scummy inferences.

Occams Razor would still suggest that the two "visited" (and if that wasnt a "visit" then we should talk about PMs and proper verbiage after the game ends). Rather than the ensuing conniptions about being the cop, no wait, being insane. And Tucker is scum unless he isn't but maybe also Eco. Bulletproof, one off jack of all trades maybe insane cop/doc/space cowboy.

##vote Thorgasm.
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Chaddelamancha said:
Here's my response and it is validated by your tracking.

I am the Town Weak Doctor. I can protect someone at night, but if I choose to protect scum, then I am killed. Last night I chose to protect Helix and I am still alive, hence Helix is town.

This is why I believe Helix when he says Tucker is scum. And why I believe Thor is scum. He went to kill Helix and I protected him. That's the purpose behind the "visit". And Thorgasm's responses only confirmed my beliefs. I think that if we lynch Tucker, and I protect Helix, then Helix can use his Vig ability to kill Thor. We should be down to (hopefully) one scum and only lose 1 more townie. I assume that me being the doc and knowing I am going to protect Helix, then I will be the target for a night kill.
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I really wish you had given Thor a chance to reply to VM. Would have been interesting to see if he claimed doc or some other PR.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Here's my response and it is validated by your tracking.

I am the Town Weak Doctor. I can protect someone at night, but if I choose to protect scum, then I am killed. Last night I chose to protect Helix and I am still alive, hence Helix is town.

This is why I believe Helix when he says Tucker is scum. And why I believe Thor is scum. He went to kill Helix and I protected him. That's the purpose behind the "visit". And Thorgasm's responses only confirmed my beliefs. I think that if we lynch Tucker, and I protect Helix, then Helix can use his Vig ability to kill Thor. We should be down to (hopefully) one scum and only lose 1 more townie. I assume that me being the doc and knowing I am going to protect Helix, then I will be the target for a night kill.
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Interesting idea.

Frankly, I would have preferred you hold off on a claim of doc if at all possible, since it basically makes you an instant scum NK target.

But OTOH, assuming you're not fake-claiming (pretty specific for a fake-claim) to draw heat off you scum buddy Helix....

Umm...i'm kinda lost...


Assuming all the claims and provided info are accurate:

Helix is town PR jack of all trades
Vance is Town PR Watcher
Chad is Town PR Weak Doctor
Thor is scum.

Tucker is scum? I forget who provided info on that, if any...

I understand that Vance thinks Thor is scum because he "visited" helix last night (presumably to kill him). Only Helix was protected by Chad, so he lived. Also Helix investigated someone...forget who...



i'm a bit lost in the info here, actually.
 
The Mark said:
Interesting idea.

Frankly, I would have preferred you hold off on a claim of doc if at all possible, since it basically makes you an instant scum NK target.

But OTOH, assuming you're not fake-claiming (pretty specific for a fake-claim) to draw heat off you scum buddy Helix....

Umm...i'm kinda lost...


Assuming all the claims and provided info are accurate:

Helix is town PR jack of all trades
Vance is Town PR Watcher
Chad is Town PR Weak Doctor
Thor is scum.

Tucker is scum? I forget who provided info on that, if any...

I understand that Vance thinks Thor is scum because he "visited" helix last night (presumably to kill him). Only Helix was protected by Chad, so he lived. Also Helix investigated someone...forget who...



i'm a bit lost in the info here, actually.
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Helix said he investigated Tucker.
 
Here's how I see it:

Helix is town as I am a weak town doctor and can only protect town without dying. Seeing how I protected Helix and didn't die, he's town.

Vancemack spied on Thorgasm and saw him going to Helix's room. This means either Thor was Town Cop or some other role and was investigating Helix, or he was scum trying to kill Helix and I stopped him.

Helix is the Jack of All Trades, investigated Tucker and found him to be scum. I doubt that Helix is insane, but that is for town to judge.

End of Story. VM, Helix, and I are known town and Tucker and Thor are known scum.

That's my theory. Thor will probably claim some town role, which should be easily discredited, or he will attack me for my role claim. I still think lynching Tucker and Viging Thor is the way to go.

The Mark said:
Interesting idea.

Frankly, I would have preferred you hold off on a claim of doc if at all possible, since it basically makes you an instant scum NK target.

But OTOH, assuming you're not fake-claiming (pretty specific for a fake-claim) to draw heat off you scum buddy Helix....

Umm...i'm kinda lost...


Assuming all the claims and provided info are accurate:

Helix is town PR jack of all trades
Vance is Town PR Watcher
Chad is Town PR Weak Doctor
Thor is scum.

Tucker is scum? I forget who provided info on that, if any...

I understand that Vance thinks Thor is scum because he "visited" helix last night (presumably to kill him). Only Helix was protected by Chad, so he lived. Also Helix investigated someone...forget who...



i'm a bit lost in the info here, actually.
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I am now convinced that Tucker, Vance Mack, and Chadellamancha are the scum team.

Vance Mack used his "Thorgasmic" comment to signal his scum teammates that I was indeed the one to protect Helix. I am General Veers, Town Doctor. Obviously scum were as lucky of guessers as I was. You see, his comment didn't put pressure on me. If he was town and suspicious of me, he would have voted for me initially. It was obvious he tracked me with that comment. Why would he be coy about saying it if he was Town? Why would he so quickly risk outing the Town Doctor if he was Town? He wouldn't. He's scum. Scum isn't interested in protecting the Town Doctor. In fact, when scum tried to kill Helix, it was obvious that I was the one who protected him.

Chad is also scum. This is evidenced in the fact that he was the hammer on Day 1 and I really doubt that there would be a bodyguard and two Town Doctors. I am not "Weak" or a 1 shot deal. I am the Doctor every night. My guess is that Tucker is the assassin, Vance Mack is the Tracker (possibly a Traitor), and Chad is possibly the role blocker. I will be dead tonight or maybe role blocked. I tried to hold off on claiming but obviously my hand is forced.

I also think it's pretty scummy of these two to role claim but not to name their characters. They didn't want to take a chance and mention a name already taken.

This game is over. I figured them out and now they have to attack me. It's all formalities now.
 
Went back and checked.
Twas Tucker that Helix investigated with his 1-shot cop.


So we have 5 players involved here...
Tucker
Thorgasm
Helix
Vance
Chad

Vance sees Thor go visit Helix. Chad Protects helix. Helix doesn't die.

Chances are, Thor went to helix's room to kill him, unless we have a seemingly unreasonable number of protective roles...

A side-effect of Chad's power is that it reveals whether someone is town or not (since he didn't die, helix is town, assuming we believe him).


We seem to have fairly conclusive evidence showing Helix to be town.
And by extension, Chad.
Vance is very probably town, since I can't see why 2 scum players would target helix on the same night. Of course assuming that Thor is scum here....

Thor is possibly scum, since he "visited" helix last night, and has yet to explain (unless I missed it).
Tucker is almost SURELY scum, given the info available.


I suppose it could all be some massive plot wherein vance and helix, being scum partners, planned their exchange so as to bring us to this point....but then Chad would have to be scum as well, since his power role proves Helix is town...


It just seems really unlikely.
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So, it would appear that a valid plan is to:
Have a vig (assuming we have one) shoot Tucker or Thor, and lynch the other.

Now, if my understanding of "jack of all trades" is accurate, Helix should have a 1-shot Vig.

So...

##Vote Tucker
 
ooo, interesting...
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Here's how I see it:

Helix is town as I am a weak town doctor and can only protect town without dying. Seeing how I protected Helix and didn't die, he's town.

Vancemack spied on Thorgasm and saw him going to Helix's room. This means either Thor was Town Cop or some other role and was investigating Helix, or he was scum trying to kill Helix and I stopped him.

Helix is the Jack of All Trades, investigated Tucker and found him to be scum. I doubt that Helix is insane, but that is for town to judge.

End of Story. VM, Helix, and I are known town and Tucker and Thor are known scum.

That's my theory. Thor will probably claim some town role, which should be easily discredited, or he will attack me for my role claim. I still think lynching Tucker and Viging Thor is the way to go.
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You are fake claiming. When I am killed, Town will know I was right and you guys are toast. In fact, if the only reason for scum to not kill me is because it would validate what I am saying.
 
Thorgasm said:
You are fake claiming. When I am killed, Town will know I was right and you guys are toast. In fact, if the only reason for scum to not kill me is because it would validate what I am saying.
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I'm Biggs Darklighter, town aligned weak doctor. It never occured to me to name my character, but then again, I wasn't given alternative role claims because I am town.
 
Thorgasm said:
You are fake claiming. When I am killed, Town will know I was right and you guys are toast. In fact, if the only reason for scum to not kill me is because it would validate what I am saying.
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I'm Biggs Darklighter, town aligned weak doctor. It never occured to me to name my character, but then again, I wasn't given alternative role claims because I am town.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
I'm Biggs Darklighter, town aligned weak doctor. It never occured to me to name my character, but then again, I wasn't given alternative role claims because I am town.
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Of course it didn't occur to you. :roll:
 
You made the best claim that you could considering the circumstances. Now it is up to the rest of the team to figure out who is lying. Judging by VanceMacks honing in on you and Helix about a "visit", I think it is pretty obvious.

Thorgasm said:
Of course it didn't occur to you. :roll:
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Chaddelamancha said:
You made the best claim that you could considering the circumstances. Now it is up to the rest of the team to figure out who is lying. Judging by VanceMacks honing in on you and Helix about a "visit", I think it is pretty obvious.
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You've stepped on your dick. Scum was given fake claims. If you remember from the last game, we had 3 to choose from. Do you really think I would choose Town Doctor as a fake claim? That's why I have to be the Doc. You fake claimed and I am calling you out on it. You guessed poorly. You gambled that there wouldn't be a Town Doctor and thought it was a safe fake claim.

Also, there is no way I would attempt to kill Helix on night one when he is likely the one the Doc would protect. I mentioned YourStar so as not to be obvious at who I would likely protect. I was thinking about protecting Helix even before ecofarm mentioned him.
 
So your broad claim of being Town Doctor is more valid than my specific claim of Town Aligned Weak Doctor?


Thorgasm said:
You've stepped on your dick. Scum was given fake claims. If you remember from the last game, we had 3 to choose from. Do you really think I would choose Town Doctor as a fake claim? That's why I have to be the Doc. You fake claimed and I am calling you out on it. You guessed poorly. You gambled that there wouldn't be a Town Doctor and thought it was a safe fake claim.

Also, there is no way I would attempt to kill Helix on night one when he is likely the one the Doc would protect. I mentioned YourStar so as not to be obvious at who I would likely protect. I was thinking about protecting Helix even before ecofarm mentioned him.
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Chaddelamancha said:
I think the best solution going forward is lynch Tucker. That will let us know his alignment. If he comes up town (which I doubt), Helix uses his Vig ability to shoot Eco. The doc (assuming he isn't a one-shot) protects Helix. And I believe VanceMack when he said his spies saw someone visit Helix and I am willing to wager that person was scum trying to kill Helix. If we lynch Helix, I say Helix uses his Vig ability on VanceMacks individual. I bet we could get two scum that way.

On a side note, I bet Tucker investigated Eco and found his power role, which is why he is still trying to have him lynched. If Eco had turned up VT, Tucker would almost assuredly left him alone.
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If Tucker comes up town, that also puts anything else I can do into question.
 
Now I'm wondering if I'm insane, eco is town (but still hated) and Helix is scum that investigated me and found out my role (Greedo, town cop) and then used the jack of all trades fake claim to implicate me assuming that I would probably be insane. Chadd is probably his scummate claiming to be a weak doctor and "confirming" him to be town.

To provide evidence of my role look back at my exchange with eco yesterday. Repeatedly I mentioned how he came after me first. I did not use the term "you shot first" because I thought it would give away my role too much.

When he called on me to be investigated, I said "I don't have a problem with that". Think about that for a second. This was not because I am scum, it was because I assumed nothing could come of it because I would not investigate myself. I said almost the same exact thing when eco was calling on people to be investigated the last time I was cop, too.

I realized, though, that being Greedo and the town cop implied that I was probably insane. I also did not want to out my role just yet, so I presented a case against eco today that focused on him being hated town.

When helix accused me, my first instinct was that he must be scum, but the last time I was a cop a townie fake claimed cop and it nearly ****ed everything up when I was totally convinced of her guilt, so I took a more cautious approach this time. The jack of all trades explanation did make sense, though, so I then assumed that he was insane, and I would have to be sane if he was nuts.

But this whole thing has gone totally nuts, now. I do believe that vance is a tracker who doesn't understand what his job does. His whole argument against helix is just too wrong to be a scum move.

Of the two people claiming to be doctor, I'm inclined to believe thor for two reasons: 1. Chad is claiming to confirm helix as a townie, which I just can't buy at this point and 2. Thor's reaction to being outed by vance seemed to be genuine.

The claim against me also came after I made the point about eco needing to be lynched to prevent us from being mylo tomorrow. It's a good strategy for scum to do this to trigger the mislynch today using an insanity defense for the next day to possibly avoid lynching. Especially if they can pull off another mislynch of thor the next day, which would totally **** town as eco would survive to the point of being quick hammered by the scum team for the easy win.
 
VM is the only player that i'm basically sure is town. as for the Thor / Chad thing, i have no idea. seems odd that there would be two town docs plus my one-off doc power.
 
Tucker Case said:
Two town docs, a one off doc power, and a bodyguard? Not odd, absurd.
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i agree.

if i read your previous post correctly, you just roleclaimed cop. who did you investigate, and what was the result?
 
Tucker Case said:
Two town docs, a one off doc power, and a bodyguard? Not odd, absurd.
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Helix said:
VM is the only player that i'm basically sure is town. as for the Thor / Chad thing, i have no idea. seems odd that there would be two town docs plus my one-off doc power.
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You guys are right, it would be absurd. Which is why I believe Pasch gave me the "weak" doctor role. It's not as good as a regular town doctor and kind of levels the playing field.
 
It looks like the scum are claiming all sorts of things.
 
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