Special counsel appointed in Russia probe

[apdst]

Ok...be honest: how many Trump haters are going to accept Mueller's findings. no matter what?

 

[Fiddytree]

LOL, Exactly. I like Joe, he's my type of Democrat as was Jim Webb who ran, but did not campaign for the nomination. But I am an old southern boy. Perhaps the Republicans learned their lesson with O'Donnell and Sharron Angle in 2010 along with Aiken and Mourdock in 2012. The GOP came close to blowing it in Alaska with Miller.

That's the Democrat problem here in Georgia. The Democrats keep running Atlanta liberals. They win Atlanta easily with 65-70% of the vote there, but lose the rest of the state to the Republican candidate. In the end, the Republican wins by a couple of hundred of thousand votes.

The Democratic Party's new cultural divide: Are you an urban professional or are you an urban socialist? Diversity...in action!

 

[Linc]

They're putting together a 50 state strategy, but you know, if their idea of national unity is a unity between Perez (Obama & Hillary wing) and Ellison (Warren & Sanders wing), they've already forfeited the concept.

They are working with the 50 state chairs. You don't see the special elections asking for either's help. I am concerned about Quist asking for Bernie's help. GOPs are playing divide and conquer over the DEM mayoral candidate losing in Omaha, playing it up as rejecting Sanders. IMHO, the abortion flap there, by progressive groups, hurt more.

This is why I mentioned the congresswoman from IL-17. She represents a third way. She actually reminds me of Sally Yates. Her home page is worth looking at for how to get elected downstate. trump won her CD but she won by 20%. That's a lot of ticket-splitting .

 

[chuckiechan]

I'm too politically pragmatic to feel your feelings.

I know they're simply reading which way the wind's blowing.

This will go where it leads, and the law of unintended consequences is alive and well. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't get too smug.

"Yes, we are addressing that." Where do you go from here?

 

[apdst]

I don't necessarily agree with your characterization.

How about we see what facts come out?

Mueller can't declassify anything. What are you expecting to see?

 

[ludin]

McCarthy has now lost all credibility in the house as Majority Leader .

you really can't understand what someone says do you?

McCarthy can say what ever he wants, just like you can.
however unless he has evidence other than McCarthy says so
then he is just flapping his gums in the wind.

you really don't know what evidence is do you? this means he actually has material that supports what he is saying.
similar to you. so far you have made a lot of accusations but they are baseless without actual evidence to support them.

while you might want it to be true the fact it without supporting evidence it is just baseless accusations based on hearsay and conjecture.

 

[ludin]

Mueller can't declassify anything. What are you expecting to see?

you have no idea what he was responding too nor did you bother to read it what he was responding too.
:doh

 

[Cardinal]

Also, before everybody gets too excited, David Frum of The Atlantic believes a Special Counsel is a double edged sword.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/a-special-prosecutor-is-not-the-answer/526662/

That's right. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Please. You didn't even click that link, let alone read the article.

 

[Parrish]

Ok...be honest: how many Trump haters are going to accept Mueller's findings. no matter what?

Are you and the 39% going to accept his findings, no matter what? Be honest.

Me? Yes.

 

[The Mark]

Quite honestly, I'm not expecting much to come out of Mueller's investigation in the way of details, at least until it ends. And even then there's no requirement of a report, though I think at least a brief one will be forthcoming.

And this investigation will likely take years ...

At the very least, I expect Democrats to mention the investigation whenever it is useful to them.

 

[RickJames3000]

This will go where it leads, and the law of unintended consequences is alive and well. If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't get too smug.

"Yes, we are addressing that." Where do you go from here?

What they've done is added an additional investigation with a special counsel overseeing it.
Why are you assuming the already existing investigations are going to be wrapped up or preempted by the new one?
All the public questions and (likely) the leaks will continue as before.

This is just an additional layer for Trump to obsess over.

 

[Linc]

With Millenials about to take over as the largest voting block in the country, I think American politics is at an inflection point. And the Democrats are in a unique position to seize upon the counter-swing from far-right Trumpian politics, with a far-left swing. But, they have to talk about the issues that impact Millenials lives; climate change, single-payer, ending the drug war, student loan debt, campaign finance reform, etc.

Unfortunately resolutions to those issues run contrary to who funds the Democratic party.. conflict is on the horizon.

As long as only 46% of millennials vote, they won't have an impact through 2020 when new census remaps occur and GOPs reup their gerrymanders.

Of the millennials that did vote, Clinton won the Electoral College with over 500 EVs with them. Millennial Jon Ossoff is showing that one size doesn't fit all with his 6/20 special election race in Georgia. His issues are those of his CD .

 

[Fenton]

Ok...be honest: how many Trump haters are going to accept Mueller's findings. no matter what?

I was thinking, and who better to run this by than another very sharp Conservative poster, but the more I think about this the more it seems like a calculated decision

Not by the Democrats, no theyre to busy chasing shadows and being outraged over every little thing to think things through

Appointing a SP basically makes off limits everything from Trumps tax returns to more Comey memos and leaks from Obama holdovers.

If the SP finds something, he sits on it until the investigation is over. Any new leak could possibly undermine and jeapordize the investigation and for those who say that the existence of a SP is bad enough ?

The rhetoric from the Democrats and the media that had Trump convicted and eventually impeached wasnt going to stop anyway.

And when the SP says theres no evidence of collusion, its over

I wonder, what are they going to do with themselves now ? Invent something else to be outraged over ?

 

[Athanasius68]

He serves at the pleasure of Trump...that's a problem.

All special prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the president.

 

[Perotista]

With Millenials about to take over as the largest voting block in the country, I think American politics is at an inflection point. And the Democrats are in a unique position to seize upon the counter-swing from far-right Trumpian politics, with a far-left swing. But, they have to talk about the issues that impact Millenials lives; climate change, single-payer, ending the drug war, student loan debt, campaign finance reform, etc.

Unfortunately resolutions to those issues run contrary to who funds the Democratic party.. conflict is on the horizon.

It all comes down to money. Here's something I worked up a while back about the voting of different age groups. I took the 18-29 year old as a group and how they voted when that age and then the same group when they turned 30-49. Here are the results.

1980’s 18-29 51% Republican, 45% Democrat/1990’s 30-49 41% Republican, 44% Democrat
1990’s 18-29 34% Republican, 51% Democrat/2000’s 30-49 49% Republican, 48% Democrat
2000’s 18-29 40% Republican, 57% Democrat/2010’s 30-49 43% Republican, 52% Democrat
2010’s 18-29 36% Republican, 58% Democrat/2020’s 30-49 unknown.

Same voters, different age group having aged ten years to fall into the next age group
The 1980’s 18-29 age group switched from voting Republican by 6 points to in 1990’s to voting Democratic by 3 points. People change and vote differently as they age. In this instant the switch from younger to older aided the Democrats.

The 1990’s 18-29 year old’s, ten years later having aged ten years in the 2000’s they switch from heavily democratic voters as the years went by from giving the Democrats a 17 point advantage when young to giving the Republicans a one point advantage after ten more years of life.

2000’s 18-29 age group once again went Democratic by 17 points, but having lived and aged ten years that 17 point gap narrowed to 9 points.

Additionally, the 1980’s 18-29 was the 1990’s 30-49 became the 50 plus in 2010, so to recap this one group of voters as the years went by and they aged.
18-29 51% Republican, 45% Democrat
30-49 41% Republican, 44% Democrat
50 plus 51% Republican, 46% Democrat

This one group that was between 18-29 back in the 1980’s switched party voting habits when they became 30-49 and switched again back to Republican when they became 50 plus. If one was counting on the 18-29 age group to remain loyal to the party they voted for when that age as they got older, that is/was a huge mistake. How one voted when young doesn’t mean one will continue to vote that way. Life’s experiences, knowledge gained, responsibilities, financial situations, etc. life as a whole changes one’s way of thinking and looking at things. This includes politics.

 

[Linc]

At the very least, I expect Democrats to mention the investigation whenever it is useful to them.

As republicans did in the last election, by the very people being investigated now, especially 'lock her up' Flynn, who I believe has something damning on trump .

 

[Fenton]

What they've done is added an additional investigation with a special counsel overseeing it.
Why are you assuming the already existing investigations are going to be wrapped up or preempted by the new one?
All the public questions and (likely) the leaks will continue as before.

This is just an additional layer for Trump to obsess over.

Leaks that will possibly undermine a criminal investigation and effect its outcome.

Good luck getting ablook at those tax returns now

 

[exoplanet]

Ok...be honest: how many Trump haters are going to accept Mueller's findings. no matter what?

Probably as many as there are Trump supporters willing to do the same thing...

I would like to see leadership in Congress, Republican and Democrat, make a call about how they feel on Mueller and stick to it. If they support him, then they need to give the investigation the benefit of the doubt. But this isn't binding arbitration where it doesn't matter whether the process or the decision is fair or not. I think everyone needs to watch as closely as they have time to, and try to ensure that it's following the truth.

 

[Winston]

As long as only 46% of millennials vote, they won't have an impact through 2020 when new census remaps occur and GOPs reup their gerrymanders.

Of the millennials that did vote, Clinton won the Electoral College with over 500 EVs with them. Millennial Jon Ossoff is showing that one size doesn't fit all with his 6/20 special election race in Georgia. His issues are those of his CD .

Congressional races are much more tailored to localities. Ossof has the right look. I know little about his message but, I hope Millenials show up in big numbers for him, to stick it to the GOP.

 

[Linc]

All special prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the president.

Let's hope trump fires him when he gets too close, especially to the multiple money trails .

 

[The Mark]

As republicans did in the last election, by the very people being investigated now, especially 'lock her up' Flynn, who I believe has something damning on trump .

I have no doubt that a certain amount of turnabout is fair play, but I like to keep the partisan context in mind.

 

[Chomsky]

Let's see how restricted his remit and his budget is to undertake the task he's been given.

Like Archibald Cox, it seems he will have relatively free reign.

He's to investigate any links between Russia and the Trump campaign, any other matters that arise, and he (seemingly) has unlimited resources.

That second phrase (other matters that arise) seems big enough to drive a truck through, if I'm reading it correctly.

Remember, Ken Starr started by investigating Whitewater, bounced through several other issues, and ended-up investigating the Monica Lewinsky incident!

From Wikipedia:

"Expansion of the investigation[edit]
The law conferred broad investigative powers on Starr and the other independent counsels named to investigate the administration, including the right to subpoena nearly anyone who might have information relevant to the particular investigation. Starr would later receive authority to conduct additional investigations, including the firing of White House Travel Office personnel, potential political abuse of confidential FBI files, Madison Guaranty, Rose Law Firm, Paula Jones law suit and, most notoriously, possible perjury and obstruction of justice to cover up President Clinton's sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky. The Lewinsky portion of the investigation included the secret taping of conversations between Lewinsky and coworker Linda Tripp, requests by Starr to tape Lewinsky's conversations with Clinton, and requests by Starr to compel Secret Service agents to testify about what they might have seen while guarding Clinton."

Source: Wkipedia: Ken Starr

Here's the Mueller letter, also for your reference:

NYT: Rod Rosenstein’s Letter Appointing Mueller Special Counsel

 

[Fishking]

I'm betting your tune is going to change...

I'm betting that your bet will end in disappointment.

 

[apdst]

I was thinking, and who better to run this by than another very sharp Conservative poster, but the more I think about this the more it seems like a calculated decision

Not by the Democrats, no theyre to busy chasing shadows and being outraged over every little thing to think things through

Appointing a SP basically makes off limits everything from Trumps tax returns to more Comey memos and leaks from Obama holdovers.

If the SP finds something, he sits on it until the investigation is over. Any new leak could possibly undermine and jeapordize the investigation and for those who say that the existence of a SP is bad enough ?

The rhetoric from the Democrats and the media that had Trump convicted and eventually impeached wasnt going to stop anyway.

And when the SP says theres no evidence of collusion, its over

I wonder, what are they going to do with themselves now ? Invent something else to be outraged over ?

Yeah, this isn't going to go their way and they're going to throw a **** fit.

 

[RickJames3000]

Leaks that will possibly undermine a criminal investigation and effect its outcome.

Good luck getting ablook at those tax returns now

We are well past tax returns at this point.
I think we'll manage to get a glimpse (or "ablook") of what Trump's actually about... tax returns or not.

PS: Did you figure out the answer to your question upthread? Who's sitting in Alito's seat?