Spain's Gibraltar Warning: Foreign Minister Jose Garcia-Margallo Says 'The Party Is Over'
Should be interesting to see how this plays out as I don't see us giving up Gibraltar whilst the local population want to remain under our sovereignty. 50 euro (£43.40) fee could be imposed on every vehicle entering or leaving the Rock through its border post with Spain and they are also talking about restricting air travel. Echo's Argentina's latest Falkland crusade which of course has been acting as an attempted distraction to their dire economic situation, also very similar to Franco's campaign bk in the 60's and 70's which was triggered for no particular reason. Honestly I think two can play this game and I wonder how the Costa Del Sol would fare if British tourists started boycotting, I also wonder if Spain will be giving up its claim to the canary islands.
Spain's Gibraltar Warning: Foreign Minister Jose Garcia-Margallo Says 'The Party Is Over'
Should be interesting to see how this plays out as I don't see us giving up Gibraltar whilst the local population want to remain under our sovereignty. 50 euro (£43.40) fee could be imposed on every vehicle entering or leaving the Rock through its border post with Spain and they are also talking about restricting air travel. Echo's Argentina's latest Falkland crusade which of course has been acting as an attempted distraction to their dire economic situation, also very similar to Franco's campaign bk in the 60's and 70's which was triggered for no particular reason. Honestly I think two can play this game and I wonder how the Costa Del Sol would fare if British tourists started boycotting, I also wonder if Spain will be giving up its claim to the canary islands.
There's at least 900,000 Brits working or retired living on the Spanish costas. Be hard to get them to join a boycott.
Spain's Gibraltar Warning: Foreign Minister Jose Garcia-Margallo Says 'The Party Is Over'
Should be interesting to see how this plays out as I don't see us giving up Gibraltar whilst the local population want to remain under our sovereignty. 50 euro (£43.40) fee could be imposed on every vehicle entering or leaving the Rock through its border post with Spain and they are also talking about restricting air travel. Echo's Argentina's latest Falkland crusade which of course has been acting as an attempted distraction to their dire economic situation, also very similar to Franco's campaign bk in the 60's and 70's which was triggered for no particular reason. Honestly I think two can play this game and I wonder how the Costa Del Sol would fare if British tourists started boycotting, I also wonder if Spain will be giving up its claim to the canary islands.
Dumping large concrete blocks to supposedly create an artificial reef, without asking the Spanish and blocking access to Spanish ports... is kinda how this whole mess started.
GibraltarAl lado de Gibraltar, España instaló en 2006, a través de la Junta de Andalucía, lo mismo, es decir, un arrecife artificial en La Línea, con 88 módulos. En un informe de la Junta se explica el motivo: “A petición del sector pesquero del puerto de La Atunara, con la finalidad de impedir el paso de arrastreros en su zona habitual de pesca”. Los motivos son los mismos que pueda argumentar Gibraltar. De hecho, la junta inició un plan en 1989 para regenerar caladeros agotados, siguiendo directrices europeas, que ha supuesto instalar 25 arrecifes en 20 años. Muchos de ellos “con pinchos de hierro”.
300k is the estimate, not 900k.
To be honest I think this is "arranged" by the Spanish conservatives and Cameron. Why? Both governments need distractions from scandals or bad economy, and this is perfect. The timing smells big time. It reminds me of the Cameron crusade to censor the Internet, which he suddenly went on when one of his top aides was exposed as a lobbyist... and then dropped just as quickly when the new royal baby came around.
Although saying that, the British have been pushing the boundaries around the Rock lately and the Spanish have pushed back. Dumping large concrete blocks to supposedly create an artificial reef, without asking the Spanish and blocking access to Spanish ports... is kinda how this whole mess started.
Why should Gibraltar ask Spain about something it's doing in it's own territorial waters? And the reef isn't blocking access to the Spanish port.
That's right, although that's for the whole of Spain. We don't all live on the costas.
You know that that is exactly what Spain did, in the same part of the bay, without reference to Gib, in 2006, but don't take my word for it:
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In this instance, I think it's all coming from a desperate Madrid.
Meh! As far as I can see there is no clusterf***. Spain and Gib get on just fine when the politicians aren't trying to use it as a political football. Isn't it funny that these disputes over fishing and tank purging in the bay weren't issues of more than local concern while Moratinos was foreign minister.Personally I would love to see a resolution to the cluster**** of Gib, because both sides are not clean.. to say the least.
Meh! As far as I can see there is no clusterf***. Spain and Gib get on just fine when the politicians aren't trying to use it as a political football. Isn't it funny that these disputes over fishing and tank purging in the bay weren't issues of more than local concern while Moratinos was foreign minister.
Why should Gibraltar ask Spain about something it's doing in it's own territorial waters? And the reef isn't blocking access to the Spanish port.
It is.
Looking at the location of the reef, I fail to see how it could possibly block access to La Linea port. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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The reef project is all around the Rock, not just there. And it is one of many issues, and both sides are at fault. The Spanish are behaving badly, but so are the British and have been for a long time.
For one, the British are not living up to the treaty of Utrecht, since they are allowing Jews and Moors (arabs) to be in Gibraltar... yes that is a treaty provision believe it or not.
Agreed.I agree, but there are some issues that should be resolved. Having an agreement on territorial waters would be great and remove most of the tensions.
Agreed.And having an agreement about cross-border policing, to stop the smuggling of drugs and illegal goods into Spain from the Rock would be great.
The lack of cooperation works both ways, doesn't it?Right now, the British are basically helping smugglers for political reasons, since they refuse to cooperate fully with the Spanish to stop the trafficking...
Not without any evidence to back up the accusation you couldn't.one could almost accuse the local politicians of being the people behind the smuggling...
Agreed.And getting the issue of the illegal seizing of land resolved finally would be nice... it is a sore eye in the area and I suspect it could be resolved easily with compensation and such.
The irony is that the current actions of the PP government are harming Spanish businesses and workers far more than it's damaging Gibraltar. That's why it isn't working to deflect public attention away from their political meltdown.The irony of it all, when you go to the Rock.. the language spoken most is not English and many of those living there are actually Spanish. Most of those working there are also Spanish.
I've been there quite a few times and it comes as a surprise to me that anyone wants to visit the place. It's like a ghastly home counties town plonked down in the Med. I can't see any appeal in it at all.What I never will understand, is the massive amount of cars wanting to enter the Rock. There is next to no parking and it is at a premium, and worst of all.. there is almost no area to drive on.. so why the hell does so many want to go over the border in cars? You can walk around the Rock in a hour for christ sake, and the public transportation is good there.
I've been there quite a few times and it comes as a surprise to me that anyone wants to visit the place. It's like a ghastly home counties town plonked down in the Med. I can't see any appeal in it at all.
Agreed.
Agreed.
The lack of cooperation works both ways, doesn't it?
Not without any evidence to back up the accusation you couldn't.
Agreed.
The irony is that the current actions of the PP government are harming Spanish businesses and workers far more than it's damaging Gibraltar. That's why it isn't working to deflect public attention away from their political meltdown.
I've been there quite a few times and it comes as a surprise to me that anyone wants to visit the place. It's like a ghastly home counties town plonked down in the Med. I can't see any appeal in it at all.
The lack of cooperation works both ways, doesn't it?
Not without any evidence to back up the accusation you couldn't.
The irony is that the current actions of the PP government are harming Spanish businesses and workers far more than it's damaging Gibraltar. That's why it isn't working to deflect public attention away from their political meltdown.
I've been there quite a few times and it comes as a surprise to me that anyone wants to visit the place. It's like a ghastly home counties town plonked down in the Med. I can't see any appeal in it at all.
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