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South Africa votes to take all white owned farm land.


Rhodesia didn't have apartheid. There was segregation in Rhodesia, no worse than anything seen in any first world country. Rhodesians, black and white, invisioned one Rhodesia, not black, not white. Proof that blacks and whites in Africa could live together in a prosperous society. It would have been example that would have spread across the whole continent.

That dream died when the world community turned it's back on Rhodesia and allowed the communists to take over. Thanks to the world community, eaten up with white guilt, communist savages like Mugabe and Mandella were allowed to control the continent. For that we got The Congo, Angola, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Rwanda and now South Africa.

Truth be told, this is a communist government confiscating private property, not the government confiscating white peoples's property.
 
This sounds like what happened in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe- that didn't turn out very good for anyone.
 
The world is going to be focusing on this situation.
The farmers will prevail.
 

Under apartheid, whites robbed everyone else of their land, rights, and just about everything else. Payback's a bitch, ain't it.

The apartheid government was also rather incompetent, given that they presided over the fall of multiple neighboring states to communism. Gee, it's alsmost like white surpremacists aren't very intelligent human beings.

No, no sane person would argue that what South Africa has now is "worse than apartheid".

Yes, apartheid did economically disadvantage and enslave the natives of South Africa....which is why you like it so much.

I detest people from first world countries gleefully supporting heinous regimes and then crying and wailing when their beloved thugs are chased from power.

No, the effects of apartheid are not exaggerated; all that shows is that you know nothing about South Africa, and are only arguing out of a knee jerk stance of "white supremacy good".
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Has it? Is that government (1) confiscating the land because the owners are white, or are they (2) confiscating the land because the whites who are there stole it not so long ago from the blacks?
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Shall I take it you know nothing of the history of South Africa.

The indigenous occupants of Southern Africa were either nomadic hunter gatherers known as the San (alternatively known as Bushmen) and nomadic agrarian cattle herders known as the Khoi (alternatively Hottentots).

None of the black tribes claiming ownership transfers of "White Farms" are indigenous. They possess no more in the way of squatters rights than the white farmers who settled and farmed what has become breadbasket of Africa, "The Free State" (formerly "The Orange Free State")

The OFS was historically sparsely populated by the nomadic San and Khoi at the time Boer farmers, primarily Dutch, "Voortrekkers" (pioneers) settled the area as sod busters and planters.

The entire "ownership of the worlds lands today has been settled by might, and the current Arabic-African tribes that claim some indigenous right to White owned land have no claims based on the history of the area.

No one is arguing for restoring South African lands to the former nomadic San and Khoi who have been pushed aside by both whites and modern Arab-African blacks.

Today our own Sioux want their sacred Black Hills lands back because they had won them fair and square from the Cheyenne in battle.

In "historic" terms, Cain and Able owned the entire word and all lands owned by others have been stolen; how do we fix this?
 

Your description of the lifestyles of native Africans is little different from the lifestyles of the native Americans before we arrived. "Bringing civilization" does not justify the imposition of slavery - and later Apartheid - nor does it justify the litany of abuses that Europeans foisted on the native Africans. For example, when the Zulus rose up against the English in the late 1800's, one of the favorite sayings among the British soldiers was "Whatever happens, we have got, the Maxim gun, and they have not" - meaning that the Brits knew they could mow down thousands of Zulus with their Maxim machine guns while losing few of their own...and that is precisely what happened.

But in any case, your argument could be used as a reason to kick the Jews out of Palestine.
 

Obviously they are in greater danger than anyone in Syria or Myanmar.
 
Nickyjo said:
Obviously they are in greater danger than anyone in Syria or Myanmar.
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You got that right!

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

“The farmers live in fear, because being a farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous occupation in the world,” Henk van de Graaf,
spokesman for the TAU, told Swedish newspaper Nya Tider last year.

“The average murder ratio per 100,000 or the population in the world is nine, I believe. In South Africa, it is 54. But for the
farming community it is 138, which is the highest for any occupation in the world.”
 
SirGareth said:
Shall I take it you know nothing of the history of South Africa.
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Unfortunately you've demonstrated your own ignorance. All the races in South Africa originated elsewhere - Africa Genome Project.

Dr Wilmot James demonstrated in 2007 that all were settlers, what that does not do however is take away the historical complaint of theft of African held land by European settlers.
 
What a blatantly racist and evil act by the South African government. Although I'm not shocked that the UN and world powers aren't condemning this loudly.
 
Populism.

The same kind of populist idiocy that lead to the rise of Trump or the successful Brexit vote, the latter example is especially astute when you consider that the referendum was done by the conservatives to gain back voters that had defected to UKIP, the ANC has adopted this policy to gain back voters that have defected to the EFF, awful folks, truly.

In this particular case we'll have to see what happens, the President himself warned against this during the governing parties conference but they adopted it anyway, he understands the damage this could potentially cause and so he's been forced to go along with this for now in order to maintain party unity, but in the end whether they may even be able to do it, want to use it as a plank in the election and whether it will most certainly be challenged in court make this a difficult one for them to potentially enact.

We shall see.
 
Renae said:
South Africa parliament votes to confiscate land from white farmers

The worlds gone mad.
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They're being nice though: 'We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now': South African parliament votes to SEIZE white-owned land as experts warn of violent repercussions
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Mr Malema has a long-standing commitment to land confiscation without compensation. In 2016 he told his supporters he was 'not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now'.
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See also ‘The time for reconciliation is over’: South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation. I don't want to violate Godwin's Law but this is eerily reminiscent of Germany's Nuremberg Laws, which stripped Jews of their right to property and to practice their profession, before engineering the "Final Solution."
 

From what I have read it is a serious issue, with blacks affected as well, tho in fewer numbers. But Trump has reduced refugee admissions to the lowest level ever, that is, since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up the system, so they might not have much of a chance, especially since they haven't left their country, and thus don't fit the legal definition of refugees. But he could parole them into the US by a special action of his, assuming they want to leave, though they are from one of Trump's designated ****hole countries. On the other hand, most of them are white.
 
digsbe said:
What a blatantly racist and evil act by the South African government. Although I'm not shocked that the UN and world powers aren't condemning this loudly.
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Dude the UN is ****ing irrelevant, that **** should have been disbanded long ago.
 

The South African government is a heinous regime.

This is the result of communism.
 
apdst said:
The South African government is a heinous regime.

This is the result of communism.
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Their interest in taking these actions is proportional to their expectation of international relief. If they thought their actions would create privation they would expect to be murdered by an angry populace.
 
Anyone know if this is this is still going ahead? The new guy seemed a lot more level headed
 

That's going to prove difficult when ""They will be touched - don’t worry. But we are starting with this whiteness. We are cutting the throat of whiteness" https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/we-are-cutting-the-throat-of-whiteness-malema-on-plans-to-remove-trollip-20180304 is your political slogan...
 
apdst said:
The South African government is a heinous regime.

This is the result of communism.
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Except 1) they aren't communist; 2) it was the apartheid regime previously running the country which was truly heinous and 3) the apartheid regime was far worse than the current group.
 
Wondering if Trump will accept the white refugees that will be swarming in from South Africa???

Maybe a special program for good farmers?

Forty acres and a mule?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except 1) they aren't communist; 2) it was the apartheid regime previously running the country which was truly heinous and 3) the apartheid regime was far worse than the current group.
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Apartheid was heinous but so were the Marxists opposing it. They didn't oppose other African tribal massacres.

Vox said:
Wondering if Trump will accept the white refugees that will be swarming in from South Africa???

Maybe a special program for good farmers?

Forty acres and a mule?
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Waht's wrong with accepting migrants who will work for the privilege of being here?
 
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