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The 2016 election of Donald Trump that stunned even his Fans produced the new mass phenomenon in politics of the Sore Winner. They're sore as hell we haven't flocked to Trump and embraced him so they're not going to take it anymore. 'It' being rejection of Trump and disrespect of...them too.
Trump Soreheads also have severe Butt Hurt due to Mueller so they're getting it at both ends which leaves 'em totally grumpy and ornery. And after 25 years in attack mode against Hillary they don't know how to turn it off. They're really in a panty twist over there. They expect us to buy their bill of goods that Trump's a good guy so they're sure we can see our way through letting things go. After all he is just such a good guy y'know trying something new and different. Surely we can cut him some slack.
:screwy
Case in point- Trump had full control of the House the Senate and the WH for two years and the moment Democrats got some power, the wall became an emergency.
When you spout nonsense like this, it's no wonder you like talking to liberals. This is the same nonsense they spout.
Trump has never had full control of the House, the Senate and the WH. If he had, Obamacare would be gone. Trump has, from day one, had opposition from ALL Democrats and from a lot of Republicans.
Furthermore, he has been talking about the wall...and the need for it...long BEFORE he became President.
Furthermore, he has been talking about the wall...and the need for it...long BEFORE he became President.
Like, what exactly? can you name something?If you spend decades voting against things that will help you,
When you spout nonsense like this, it's no wonder you like talking to liberals. This is the same nonsense they spout.
Trump has never had full control of the House, the Senate and the WH. If he had, Obamacare would be gone. Trump has, from day one, had opposition from ALL Democrats and from a lot of Republicans.
Furthermore, he has been talking about the wall...and the need for it...long BEFORE he became President.
Trump had no grand notions of a border wall as late as his campaign platform under Manafort (see Woodward / Fear 2018).
The wall wouldn't become Trumps campaign cause célèbre until Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway took over campaign ideology.
When you spout nonsense like this, it's no wonder you like talking to liberals. This is the same nonsense they spout.
Trump has never had full control of the House, the Senate and the WH. If he had, Obamacare would be gone. Trump has, from day one, had opposition from ALL Democrats and from a lot of Republicans.
Furthermore, he has been talking about the wall...and the need for it...long BEFORE he became President.
Your scenario only works if Trump tried this a year ago. He didn't EVEN TRY.
Trump had no grand notions of a border wall as late as his campaign platform under Manafort (see Woodward / Fear 2018).
The wall wouldn't become Trumps campaign cause célèbre until Steve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway took over campaign ideology.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
??? Have you forgotten his attempt to get money for the wall and other things in return for dreamer relief?
You are proving my Sig true.
He didn't do that a year ago. Fail.
If you spend decades voting against things that will help you, will this cause a continuous state of anger? When you talk to conservatives these days, it sure does seem to be that way. As Tangmo alluded to here:
As goes their obsession with figures like AOC, Hillary Clinton, and myself (username) included. They don't seem to understand that other people have other opinions and can genuinely and gradually change over time. (hence they think the constitution hasn't) Over the past few years I have had better conversations with liberals far to the left of me than even center right conservatives who only have highly partisan combative arguments that much too often slide into Trump worship, racism, or anti-semitic. Without even presenting valid reasons for liking Trump, they expect us to fall in line. While making fun of us and insulting other political figures will help that cause?
Case in point- Trump had full control of the House the Senate and the WH for two years and the moment Democrats got some power, the wall became an emergency. They demonize the liberals and call them leftists as if its some sort of insult. Is it their goal to piss off everyone until no one even pays attention to them anymore, b/c Democrats are already starting to do that in the 2020 primaries. People want ideas and optimism not trollish doom and gloom.
If you spend decades voting against things that will help you, will this cause a continuous state of anger? When you talk to conservatives these days, it sure does seem to be that way. As Tangmo alluded to here:
As goes their obsession with figures like AOC, Hillary Clinton, and myself (username) included. They don't seem to understand that other people have other opinions and can genuinely and gradually change over time. (hence they think the constitution hasn't) Over the past few years I have had better conversations with liberals far to the left of me than even center right conservatives who only have highly partisan combative arguments that much too often slide into Trump worship, racism, or anti-semitic. Without even presenting valid reasons for liking Trump, they expect us to fall in line. While making fun of us and insulting other political figures will help that cause?
Case in point- Trump had full control of the House the Senate and the WH for two years and the moment Democrats got some power, the wall became an emergency. They demonize the liberals and call them leftists as if its some sort of insult. Is it their goal to piss off everyone until no one even pays attention to them anymore, b/c Democrats are already starting to do that in the 2020 primaries. People want ideas and optimism not trollish doom and gloom.
When you spout nonsense like this, it's no wonder you like talking to liberals. This is the same nonsense they spout.
Trump has never had full control of the House, the Senate and the WH. If he had, Obamacare would be gone. Trump has, from day one, had opposition from ALL Democrats and from a lot of Republicans.
Furthermore, he has been talking about the wall...and the need for it...long BEFORE he became President.
??? Have you forgotten his attempt to get money for the wall and other things in return for dreamer relief?
You are proving my Sig true.
Funny that Tweety didn't get funding for his ego wall that Mexico is paying for during the two years that Republicans controlled everything. If I didn't know better, I might start to think that the Trump shutdown is a political stunt.
You don't know what a filibuster is, I suppose.
This entire post, to include the poine you quote, is idiotic. There is only one group that is perpetually angry these days and it's even beyond just anger, it's mouth-frothing lunacy, and it's not Trump supporters.
This is pretty much representative of larges swaths of the left these days.
Most specifically, I am not in your video and neither are most opponents of Trump who post here.
Yet you guys consider anyone who opposes you to be an evil liberal who needs to rot in hell.
They had a deal. 25 billion for the wall in exchange for the DACA thing. But Trump/Miller tried to add a bunch of changes to the legal immigration framework on top of that and the deal fell apart.
Now, a year later, Trumpie is crying for 5-6 billion. For his ego. And yours, it seems.
Yes. The Dems rejected common sense reforms then and they won't even bother to negotiate now. Hell, they didn't care about the Dreamers then and they still don't.
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