Something I noticed about a lot of adamant anti-2nd amendment folks.

[CaughtInThe]

i think a lot of Americans are just tired of the daily slaughters.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Please reread. I'm not saying that anyone would never have to do a background check for the future. I'm asking what crime does a background check prevent if the person buying a gun already has a gun at the time of the background check.

At. The. Time.

Do you enjoy discussing ridiculous little details about guns laws? Who cares if you have to spend 10 extra minutes doing a background check to get a new gun. It didn't bother me at all the last time I bought one. I really couldn't possibly care less about saving you those 10 minutes.

 

[Rucker61]

Do you enjoy discussing ridiculous little details about guns laws? Who cares if you have to spend 10 extra minutes doing a background check to get a new gun. It didn't bother me at all the last time I bought one. I really couldn't possibly care less about saving you those 10 minutes.

Do you enjoy refusing to answer direct questions regarding the efficacy of the very laws you deem essential to the safety of people living in the US?

If prohibited person possesses a gun illegally, and fails a background check at a gun shop trying to buy a second gun, are we actually any safer?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Do you enjoy refusing to answer direct questions regarding the efficacy of the very laws you deem essential to the safety of people living in the US?

If prohibited person possesses a gun illegally, and fails a background check at a gun shop trying to buy a second gun, are we actually any safer?

No, someone owning an illegal gun should not get to sidestep background checks for all new gun purchases. Please take your nuttery somewhere else, I'm tired of engaging you.

 

[poppopfox]

Background checks for private sales aren't effective or enforceable according to DOJ

Couldn't find the document you got that from at the DOJ. Could it possibly be according to the NRA?

"NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop criminals from getting firearms, because some proposals to do so would deprive individuals of due process of law, and because NRA opposes firearm registration."

prop·a·gan·da noun

1. 1.
   information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

 

[Rucker61]

No, someone owning an illegal gun should not get to sidestep background checks for all new gun purchases. Please take your nuttery somewhere else, I'm tired of engaging you.

I didn't say that they should bypass a background check. It shouldn't be this hard to understand what I'm writing.

If a prohibited person already possesses a gun at the time of failing a background check, is the prohibited person still an armed threat? If so, did the background check actually make us safer?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I didn't say that they should bypass a background check. It shouldn't be this hard to understand what I'm writing.

If a prohibited person already possesses a gun at the time of failing a background check, is the prohibited person still an armed threat? If so, did the background check actually make us safer?

If a felon has a .22 pistol and tries to buy an AR-15 but fails the background check and can't buy it, yes, we as a society are a little bit safer than if we just let him buy it. Stop trying to convince me of your nuttery, I'm never going to think that's a good idea.

 

[Rucker61]

If a felon has a .22 pistol and tries to buy an AR-15 but fails the background check and can't buy it, yes, we as a society are a little bit safer than if we just let him buy it.

Yet in the opposite scenario there's no real improvement. Corner cases peove nothing.

Stop trying to convince me of your nuttery, I'm never going to think that's a good idea.

Questioning efficacy is "nuttery"?

 

[Rich2018]

bullshit. Most of your fellow travelers constantly tell us that citizens don't need
11+ rounds
6+ rounds
semi autos
etc

No-one seeks to ban anything just on the strength that it's not needed
No-one wants to ban 11+ round, 6+ rounds or semi autos just because they're not needed

I'm sure your house is full of things that you don't need.

 

[TurtleDude]

No-one seeks to ban anything just on the strength that it's not needed
No-one wants to ban 11+ round, 6+ rounds or semi autos just because they're not needed

I'm sure your house is full of things that you don't need.

that is the truth

 

[RF667799]

that is the truth

My house and garage are full of things I have no immediate need of, but can imagine a potential need. Makes it hard to get rid of anything.

 

[Rich2018]

that is the truth

And no-one wants to ban them, just because you don't need them.

 

[RF667799]

And no-one wants to ban them, just because you don't need them.

Why is that so often the argument then? Why lie about something everyone has witnessed?

 

[Rich2018]

If a felon has a .22 pistol and tries to buy an AR-15 but fails the background check and can't buy it, yes, we as a society are a little bit safer than if we just let him buy it. Stop trying to convince me of your nuttery, I'm never going to think that's a good idea.

But according to some, the felon is a lot less safe.

 

[LostinThought]

I never said they currently can, quote me on that. I said thank god we have laws that prevent them from buying machine guns from Walmart. That pissed you guys off incredibly and you're reacting emotionally. Hilariously you even admitted because machine guns are HIGHLY REGULATED.

If you disagree with me and think felons should be able to buy machine guns at Walmart, make your case. Otherwise, run along.

Well Rabid, not even through with the first response and you've already been caught in a lie.

From the exact post that I replied to.
"I don't think felons should be able to buy machine guns at Walmart"

Try to do better next time or at least keep your line of thought consistent.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Well Rabid, not even through with the first response and you've already been caught in a lie.

From the exact post that I replied to.
"I don't think felons should be able to buy machine guns at Walmart"

Try to do better next time or at least keep your line of thought consistent.

I don't think felons should be able to buy machine guns at Walmart.

How is that a lie? You know that I secretly do want that? Quotes?

 

[LostinThought]

I don't think felons should be able to buy machine guns at Walmart.

How is that a lie? You know that I secretly do want that? Quotes?

Given that you lied about it as a premise and then tried to bludgeon a way out for yourself. It looks rather self evidential.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Given that you lied about it as a premise and then tried to bludgeon a way out for yourself. It looks rather self evidential.

How did I lie? I don't think they should be able to do that, and thanks to background checks, they can't. Where's the lie?

 

[Rich2018]

How did I lie? I don't think they should be able to do that, and thanks to background checks, they can't. Where's the lie?

I think he means you can't buy machine guns at Wal-Mart.

 

[Daddyo]

How did I lie? I don't think they should be able to do that, and thanks to background checks, they can't. Where's the lie?

Walmart doesn't sell machine guns. A special tax stamp is needed to transfer one which is difficult to get in many locations. Many purchasers are required to pay to have a trust formed.

So your post insinuates that Walmart sells them AND background checks are the only thing that stops them from going to felons.

#1 Walmart not selling them
#2 transfer papers are needed
#3 background check must be passed.

 

[TurtleDude]

Walmart doesn't sell machine guns. A special tax stamp is needed to transfer one which is difficult to get in many locations. Many purchasers are required to pay to have a trust formed.

So your post insinuates that Walmart sells them AND background checks are the only thing that stops them from going to felons.

#1 Walmart not selling them
#2 transfer papers are needed
#3 background check must be passed.

most of those who want more laws, haven't a clue what the current laws are

 

[Rich2018]

most of those who want more laws, haven't a clue what the current laws are

What is in current laws, that you think most people aren't aware of ?

 

[Rucker61]

What is in current laws, that you think most people aren't aware of ?

1. That the mentally ill first banned in 1968 are still banned.
2. That AR-15s are in common use for lawful purposes.
3. That the AR-15 isn't a military weapon.
4. That the AR-15 was developed for mass shootings.
5. That less than 1/10th of 1% of those who commit a felony trying to buy a gun and who fail a background check are convicted.
6. That the 1994 AWB didn't really "ban" anything.
7. That "universal" background checks aren't "universal", effective or enforceable.
8. That there are at last six different definitions in common use for "mass shooting".

 

[Rich2018]

1. That the mentally ill first banned in 1968 are still banned.

Yeah, I think most people, in the gun control lobby, know that.

2. That AR-15s are in common use for lawful purposes.

That is stated in current laws ?
I think not.

3. That the AR-15 isn't a military weapon.

Again, where is that stated in any current law ?

4. That the AR-15 was developed for mass shootings.

Again, where is that stated in any current law ?

5. That less than 1/10th of 1% of those who commit a felony trying to buy a gun and who fail a background check are convicted.

Again, where is that stated in any current law ?

6. That the 1994 AWB didn't really "ban" anything.

It banned the sale and import of certain firearms. No-one thinks it banned guns already owned.

7. That "universal" background checks aren't "universal", effective or enforceable.

The gun control lobby is aware of this - hence the drive for a truly national database for background checks
Interestingly, the people not aware of this tend to be pro-gun supporters who claim we already have a national background check database.

8. That there are at last six different definitions in common use for "mass shooting".

Probably more than that - none of which are cited in any law
And no-one in the gun control lobby believes this that I'm aware of.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Walmart doesn't sell machine guns. A special tax stamp is needed to transfer one which is difficult to get in many locations. Many purchasers are required to pay to have a trust formed.

So your post insinuates that Walmart sells them AND background checks are the only thing that stops them from going to felons.

#1 Walmart not selling them
#2 transfer papers are needed
#3 background check must be passed.

I never at any point claimed Walmart sells machine guns. I wont respond to strawmen.

I think he means you can't buy machine guns at Wal-Mart.

I never said they did. He's illiterate.

most of those who want more laws, haven't a clue what the current laws are

Yet you know that I never claimed Walmart currently sells machine guns. Good thing we have the gun regulations we do, huh?