Something for Obama supporters to think about

[Thunder]

Many Europeans also have been raised, over the last 50 years, to have a sense of entitlement that far surpasses anything the American people believe in.

and this extreme sense of entitlement, added with stupid bond sales and the loss of tons of revenue due to the last recession, is why Greece is up ****'s creek.

 

[Conservative]

What I got out of the article is that that conservative British MP needs to understand that the issues, and therefore the policies, that need to be dealt with by Europe is different from the issues, and therefore the policies, that need to be dealt with by the United States.

Times are tough for everyone right now no matter the methods and means of governance. Therefore, to say that the United States should take absolutely nothing from European policies is intellectually dishonest. Nations can learn from each other. Some policies of Europe we can take and adapt to our needs.

Besides, I am less worried about Europe being our future than I am that our future may be more like that of the Roman Republic.

And what policies would those be? Amazed at how little you know about Europe and how little you got out of the article. The OWS want wealth redistribution, free everything so who pays for that?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

And what policies would those be? Amazed at how little you know about Europe and how little you got out of the article. The OWS want wealth redistribution, free everything so who pays for that?

Everyone! Equal share.

hear them bitch and moan, then, when they have to fork over tax money left and right all of a sudden.

 

[Conservative]

Everyone! Equal share.

hear them bitch and moan, then, when they have to fork over tax money left and right all of a sudden.

Fair share to a liberal means the people who are paying the most FIT pay more and those income earning households that pay nothing continue to pay their fair share which is zero.

 

[samsmart]

And what policies would those be? Amazed at how little you know about Europe and how little you got out of the article. The OWS want wealth redistribution, free everything so who pays for that?

Yes, and Wall Street wanted free everything too, but the only difference is that the government gave it to them because they give Congressmen kickbacks as campaign contributions.

Let me know when you want to honestly talk about government services and taxation and I will.

 

[Conservative]

Yes, and Wall Street wanted free everything too, but the only difference is that the government gave it to them because they give Congressmen kickbacks as campaign contributions.

Let me know when you want to honestly talk about government services and taxation and I will.

Then protest Washington, not Wall Street, what did Wall Street do that was illegal. What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt is compared to the role of the state. Let's start with the line item expenses of the Federal Budget then ask yourself do we really want a strong central govt. and if so why 50 sovereign states? Is that what our Founders created?

Line Item Expenses in U.S. Budget

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Medicare
Income Security
Social Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest

 

[samsmart]

Then protest Washington, not Wall Street, what did Wall Street do that was illegal. What exactly do you believe the role of the Federal Govt is compared to the role of the state. Let's start with the line item expenses of the Federal Budget then ask yourself do we really want a strong central govt. and if so why 50 sovereign states? Is that what our Founders created?

Line Item Expenses in U.S. Budget

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Medicare
Income Security
Social Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest

So far, you have brought up at least 3 topics you want to talk about.

Please pick one and then we can focus on that.

 

[lizzie]

So Obama wants a more social democratic state?....... Supposedly....
Whats the problem with that?
Whats the problem with that Conservative?

The problem with that, besides the obvious, is that we can't ****ing afford it.

Too bad we don't have 435 Hannah's in DC.

 

[Conservative]

So far, you have brought up at least 3 topics you want to talk about.

Please pick one and then we can focus on that.

Don't worry about it, already diverting from the thread topic. The article tells you what is headed for this country. keep that head buried in the sand.

 

[lizzie]

Don't worry about it, already diverting from the thread topic. The article tells you what is headed for this country. keep that head buried in the sand.

Unfortunately, and this is just my own opinion, Americans tend to think that the rules don't apply to them, and that we have the ability to overcome reality when it hits us over the head. It's probably a side effect of our many years of economic ease and success, but it will come back to bite us in the ass, if I were to take a serious guess.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Fair share to a liberal means the people who are paying the most FIT pay more and those income earning households that pay nothing continue to pay their fair share which is zero.

Of course! :doh what was I thinking?

Silly me.

 

[lizzie]

In a related tidbit:

Rating Action:
Moody's adjusts ratings of 9 European sovereigns to capture downside risks
Global Credit Research - 13 Feb 2012

London, 13 February 2012 -- As anticipated in November 2011, Moody's Investors Service has today adjusted the sovereign debt ratings of selected EU countries in order to reflect their susceptibility to the growing financial and macroeconomic risks emanating from the euro area crisis and how these risks exacerbate the affected countries' own specific challenges.
Moody's actions can be summarised as follows:

- Austria: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative
- France: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative
- Italy: downgraded to A3 from A2, negative outlook
- Malta: downgraded to A3 from A2, negative outlook
- Portugal: downgraded to Ba3 from Ba2, negative outlook
- Slovakia: downgraded to A2 from A1, negative outlook
- Slovenia: downgraded to A2 from A1, negative outlook
- Spain: downgraded to A3 from A1, negative outlook
- United Kingdom: outlook on Aaa rating changed to negative

Please see the individual country specific statements below for more detailed information relating to the rating rationale and the sensitivity analysis for each affected sovereign issuer.

Moody's adjusts ratings of 9 European sovereigns to capture downside risks

 

[Conservative]

In a related tidbit:
Moody's adjusts ratings of 9 European sovereigns to capture downside risks

No question about it, obama wants to see the United States on that list. Remember the promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Just another lie

 

[TheDemSocialist]

As i thought, you don't have a clue,

Then tell me why is Greece in debt then?
Please tell me...

people in Greece aren't rioting because their benefits are being taken away and their unsustainable lifestyle revised.

People are rioting in Greece because of the extremely harsh Austerity measures being demanded upon them by the EU and IMF.

Yep, another liberal who has all the answers but ignores the toubh questions. Who funds the liberal socialist appetite/

:doh
Just another another typical Conservative response. "Your wrong im right and i dont wanna talk about it!"

 

[Fletch]

People are rioting in Greece because of the extremely harsh Austerity measures being demanded upon them by the EU and IMF.

And why are the EU and the IMF making such demands? Because they are mean?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

And why are the EU and the IMF making such demands? Because they are mean?

Would you love to see the IMF's track record on how their "great programs" work?

 

[Fletch]

Would you love to see the IMF's track record on how their "great programs" work?

Do you always answer a question with a question?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Do you always answer a question with a question?

No. But do you?

 

[Fletch]

No. But do you?

Why do you ask?

 

[Dickieboy]

The Greek gov was deliberately misreporting the countries economic stats to keep within the monetary union guidelines, which allowed them to spend beyond their means while hiding their actual nation deficit from the EU.

What did they ‘spend beyond their means’ on?

They are?
Every time they try to do that they fail miserably.

This is a little confusing. First you question that they are ‘trying to unravel universal healthcare’. Then you conceded they are/have and it has failed every time they try.