The_Real_ElRoi
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The_Real_ElRoi said:Agreed. However, Bush is the President appoint, I mean elect and ultimately as Harry Truman said, "The Buck Stops Here." If Bush really gave a **** about the troops as he so often claims, he could get this situation straightened out. He holds the most powerful job in the world. Period. All he would have to do is say, "Get it done or find a new job." If Congress were truly the problem, and I'm not saying they are not part of the problem, all he would have to do is publicly identify who in Congress was causing the problem. I don't think any of those people would care to be publicly 'outed' for not supporting out troops. So, Bush's BS about how he cares so much about our troops is just that, BS.
The_Real_ElRoi said:Agreed. However, Bush is the President appoint, I mean elect
gdalton said:Yeah the Bush bashing is apparent, but don't you think he could try to persuade the congress to introduce a bill that would help pay for some of this stuff. I mean if we can pass bills to build bridges to no where and paint fish on planes we can at least spend a few bucks protecting our military personnel. Everything the man has asked congress for he has gotten, so he could at least ask.
I’m not bashing, I’m just questioning.
gdalton said:Oh, I misunderstood the situation then. My brother showed me that flak jacket with the plates when he came home a few months ago, I can't see how you guys walk around with all that crap on especially in that heat, those vests are so frickin heavy and that’s without all the amo, water, and everything else.
So basically this all boils down to the new stuff having to filter through to the ground troops and some troops choosing to buy other equipment for themselves, I guess I got suckered with the :spin:
Canuck said:A far cry from the days of dunkirk,omaha,etc...,
where the men hit the beaches with a hail of bullets on them
no armour but cotton cloths
today mommy and daddy want to send them off with the best kevlar money can buy
whats next 18 crt gold dog tags
if americans want to back a war better off spending on body bags
they will find out what the marines can win the gaurd will not be able to hold without severe loses
Canuck said:today mommy and daddy want to send them off with the best kevlar money can buy
whats next 18 crt gold dog tags
gdalton said:Oh, I misunderstood the situation then. My brother showed me that flak jacket with the plates when he came home a few months ago, I can't see how you guys walk around with all that crap on especially in that heat, those vests are so frickin heavy and that’s without all the amo, water, and everything else.
So basically this all boils down to the new stuff having to filter through to the ground troops and some troops choosing to buy other equipment for themselves, I guess I got suckered with the :spin:
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Not really. That equiptment is supposed to be standard and it's not only the plates that soldiers have been forced to by on their own it's helmets, combat boots, scopes, etc etc ad infinitum. I believe that we can blame the president..not for the past misgivings of the pentagon on this issue but for allowing the 87 billion, that was supposed to go towards buying proper equiptment for our troops, to be funneled into other programs and projects. Not one dime of it went towards it's secifically stated purpose and it's not as if the pentagon is short on cash. It's Bush's responsibility as commander in chief to rein these people in and take care of our troops by providing the standard equiptment.
GySgt said:Lies lies lies. Scopes are not standard...boots have always been a part of our clothing allowance....helmets are always issued...troops are better equiped now than they have ever been. Not one other time in history have we upgraded so many things in such a short period of time. Why do you continue to speak on what is totally out of your capabilities to understand and of what you are clueless to?
By the way, I have the "standard" issue. Would you like a list?
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Lies lies lies on your part. The pentagon hasn't been giving our troops standard equiptment and most of the equiptment that has been given is not only outdated, it's defective. Thats why Congress mandated the Pentagon to reimburse the soldiers over a year ago which they have not done.
GySgt said:Why would I lie? I wear the gear remember? Doing it again huh? You said boots, and scopes were "standard" equipment. This was a lie. Scopes are a specialty item and boots have always been a clothing allowance item.
What "standard" equipment besides the new Armor (which wasn't standard a two years ago), have we not been given?
As far as outdated and defective. This was a problem. It's not anymore. It hasn't been a problem since Bush took over. Our gear has been updated across the spectrum and improved faster than it has in history.
SKILMATIC said:People dont realize what military is about. Therefore they cant understand what adjectives and charactarizations there are amongst it. The fact is the military doesnt issue a scope to a corpsman. Those are for snipers. The boots are issued to every perso in the armed forces under the allowance which is what gunny mentioned. Since Bush the military has astoundingly been far better than knob job man. Clinton shut down some 30% of our military installations and claimed it was for the better a nd ease of our military. When Bush came in we have now been able to get better wages and benefits. Our retirement is more, the BAH is more. Also heres one thing you will like. Bush has implemented funding for the production of 300new F22 raptors in the next 10yrs. That will be a indellable threat to whoever seeks to harm us. That is the plane I hope to pilot someday.
GySgt said:We have ACOGS now too. These are scopes that mount on our M16A4s. However, this isn't standard issue. Not every Marine gets one. Just like not every Marine gets an M203 (Grenade launcher). Only one is issued per fire team.
GySgt said:Doing it again huh? You said boots, and scopes were "standard" equipment. This was a lie. Scopes are a specialty item and boots have always been a clothing allowance item.
What "standard" equipment besides the new Armor (which wasn't standard a two years ago), have we not been given?
GySgt said:As far as outdated and defective. This was a problem. It's not anymore. It hasn't been a problem since Bush took over. Our gear has been updated across the spectrum and improved faster than it has in history.
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Scopes are standard equiptment. Combat boots and helmuts are standard equiptment which have not been issued to all troops. In fact, the army gets some standard equiptment that national guard soldiers are forced to pay for out of their own pocket including riffles and eye-protectors. There's a very long list.
Yet another lie from you. Even Donald Rumsfeld admitted that the troops are using outdated and defective equiptment. The DOD gave our troops gas masks and MOPP suits when we went into Iraq that had were proven to be defective, many of which had holes in them, and all of them were proven to leak in 1997 and the soldiers were told to use duct tape to cover the holes. DUCT TAPE?!
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Scopes are standard equiptment. Combat boots and helmuts are standard equiptment which have not been issued to all troops. In fact, the army gets some standard equiptment that national guard soldiers are forced to pay for out of their own pocket including riffles and eye-protectors. There's a very long list.
Yet another lie from you. Even Donald Rumsfeld admitted that the troops are using outdated and defective equiptment. The DOD gave our troops gas masks and MOPP suits when we went into Iraq that had were proven to be defective, many of which had holes in them, and all of them were proven to leak in 1997 and the soldiers were told to use duct tape to cover the holes. DUCT TAPE?!
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