So what's everybody's issue with Andrew Yang?

[Luther]

I disagree. Its killed nearly 200,000 (by official numbers) people so far this year.

A drop in the bucket compared to the NORMAL 2 1/2 million who die every single year pre virus

Yeppers!

 

[Slartibartfast]

A drop in the bucket compared to the NORMAL 2 1/2 million who die every single year pre virus

Yeppers!

and?.

 

[Luther]

and?.

One more time

A drop in the bucket compared to the NORMAL 2 1/2 million who die every single year pre virus

 

[Slartibartfast]

One more time

I get the math, but you are not making a very convincing point given that these additional deaths are completely unnecessary.

 

[Luther]

I get the math, but you are not making a very convincing point given that these additional deaths are completely unnecessary.

these additional deaths are completely unnecessary.

Well Taco, compare it to the Spanish Flu when 650,000 Americans died and we only had 1/3 of our population of today?

Wow!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Well Taco, compare it to the Spanish Flu when 650,000 Americans died and we only had 1/3 of our population of today?

Wow!

The spanish flu was a tragedy as well.

 

[Luther]

The spanish flu was a tragedy as well.

Yes.......way bigger as I explained

 

[Slartibartfast]

Yes.......way bigger as I explained

I do understand numbers, but comparing these things means nothing. The only comparison that matters is actual deaths vs deaths could have been avoided within this specific issue.

 

[Luther]

I do understand numbers, but comparing these things means nothing. The only comparison that matters is actual deaths vs deaths could have been avoided within this specific issue.

but comparing these things means nothing.

well. sure it does, remember this?

This Virus isn't as bad as so many people like you make it out to be?

 

[Slartibartfast]

well. sure it does, remember this?

That is certainly your opinion, but again, there are nearly 200k unnecessary deaths.

 

[Luther]

That is certainly your opinion, but again, there are nearly 200k unnecessary deaths.

yeah, And the whole "Unnecessary" thing is just your opinion(wink)

 

[Slartibartfast]

yeah, And the whole "Unnecessary" thing is just your opinion(wink)

You have correctly identified what an opinion is.

 

[Luther]

You have correctly identified what an opinion is.

Yep, but only "One" is correct(wink)

 

[Slartibartfast]

Yep, but only "One" is correct(wink)

Thats not true. It could be that both and neither are correct as well.

In terms of neither, well the reason could be that there are facts we are not aware of.

In terms of both, it could be that there is context where one opinion makes more sense and another context where it does not.

This type of analysis is often not a binary determination.

 

[ataraxia]

Any government that moves to burden businesses in an effort to appease the poor and envious by robbing the hard-working rich to give to the shiftless poor is being run by incompetents.

So you think anyone who hits hard times is shiftless and deserves to be left out on the street to die until they learn their lesson and just work harder?

And yet results show economies which do value and protect the human rights of their citizens grow faster than those who don’t. Hard to argue with results.

Human rights can help fix the economy. Here's how | World Economic Forum

 

[dex4974]

Educate me... What is UBI?

UBI is short for universal basic income. It'd work like a reverse tax. When all of the jobs start to dry up the government will have no choice but to put some money in the pockets of everyday people so the economy keeps rolling.

 

[dex4974]

Wrong

If some form of socialism will never work in the future then human society is doomed. There is no other way.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If some form of socialism will never work in the future then human society is doomed. There is no other way.

Remember, biologically we are still cave men and its likely we have created a society faster than we are able to adapt to it (which is why he have the politics we do)

 

[dex4974]

Well Taco, compare it to the Spanish Flu when 650,000 Americans died and we only had 1/3 of our population of today?

Wow!

I think you're kind of missing the point. Every unnecessary death was a person that died needlessly. It doesn't matter what it is as a percentage of our populations. Hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in a tragedy. We started 2 wars that lasted decades over 3,000 people being killed on 9/11.

 

[Luther]

UBI is short for universal basic income. It'd work like a reverse tax. When all of the jobs start to dry up the government will have no choice but to put some money in the pockets of everyday people so the economy keeps rolling.

UBI is short for universal basic income.

Short for Utopian society?

 

[marke]

So you think anyone who hits hard times is shiftless and deserves to be left out on the street to die until they learn their lesson and just work harder?

And yet results show economies which do value and protect the human rights of their citizens grow faster than those who don’t. Hard to argue with results.

Human rights can help fix the economy. Here's how | World Economic Forum

No. Anyone with a decent education in the English language can see that is not what I said. I believe if the government creates a program to give cash money - lots of it - to the unemployed will create a huge incentive for Americans to join the ranks of the unemployed. Who wouldn't rather not work and be paid rather than have to work to get paid?

 

[dex4974]

Remember, biologically we are still cave men and its likely we have created a society faster than we are able to adapt to it (which is why he have the politics we do)

Not just the society. We are cave men that are about to be ****ing around with nuclear fusion and black hole physics. lol We are way ahead of ourselves. I watched a disturbing Ted Talk once where the speaker suggested that species with a tendency towards violence might be doomed to cause their own extinction before they get the chance to traverse the universe. The idea was that to wield planet/star destroying power without destroying yourself you have to have reached a certain level of enlightenment.

 

[Luther]

I think you're kind of missing the point. Every unnecessary death was a person that died needlessly. It doesn't matter what it is as a percentage of our populations. Hundreds of thousands of needless deaths in a tragedy. We started 2 wars that lasted decades over 3,000 people being killed on 9/11.

I think you're kind of missing the point. Every unnecessary death was a person that died needlessly.

And what is your basis for this "Unnecessary death"?

We started 2 wars that lasted decades over 3,000 people being killed on 9/11

.

You're drifting bud

 

[dex4974]

No. Anyone with a decent education in the English language can see that is not what I said. I believe if the government creates a program to give cash money - lots of it - to the unemployed will create a huge incentive for Americans to join the ranks of the unemployed. Who wouldn't rather not work and be paid rather than have to work to get paid?

It will give Americans an incentive to not work for Walmart for 9 dollars an hour. Those giant companies that victimize desperate people would have to offer more competitive wages to get people to bother.

 

[dex4974]

And what is your basis for this "Unnecessary death"?

You really don't think things could have been handled better?

You're drifting bud

Does a few thousand lives matter or not?