so the second u.s. civil war is underway ...

[shart attack]

Who will be the first to die?

The super-rich (the 99 percenters) have the money to fund continual armaments, but will anyone fight for them? Or do some Americans — unlike the 99 percenters — still believe in a thing called principle over principal?

What classes will have the military know-how to sustain themselves long-term in The War?

What will happen to the media bobbleheads and celebrities who fanned The War's flames for years? Will they be given the Marie Antoinette treatment? How long will it take for it to happen — will it happen in The War's early stages, or in its later ones?

What will The War's eventual final outcome be? Will America be a Chinese province?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

There is no civil war going on, nor will there be for the forseeable future. The Conspiracy section is where you may want to post this.

 

[ecofarm]

There is no civil war going on, nor will there be for the forseeable future. The Conspiracy section is where you may want to post this.

Non-political/academia, haha.

 

[shart attack]

There is no civil war going on, nor will there be for the forseeable future. The Conspiracy section is where you may want to post this.

Well, I don't know where you went to college, but where I went, we talked about the events that led up to wars.

What's that bit of wit said by many the sage about being doomed to repeat history, if it isn't understood?

 

[Mr. Invisible]

Well, I don't know where you went to college, but where I went, we talked about the events that led up to wars.

What's that bit of wit said by many the sage about being doomed to repeat history, if it isn't understood?

First, please lay out your argument about America coming to a 2nd civil war.

 

[calamity]

Civil War? Our poor's biggest challenge, like the rest of us, is to not eat so much that they get to weighing 300 lbs. THe well fed do not revolt.

 

[anatta]

US doesn't do revolutions, nor are we going to war again ( just getting people out to demonstrate is damn near impossible).

I had this discussion with a friend; mentioned I see no way out, since Americans are stupified into a survival mode.
Plus some want that elusive "upward mobility" ( but they aren't going to move into the 1%'rs).

we accept the fact of plutocratic rule, both corporate and governing (at least 1/2 of Congress are millionaires). So look for more of the same

 

[shart attack]

First, please lay out your argument about America coming to a 2nd civil war.

I'm pretty sure that the questions I ask in the OP give a pretty good idea what I think.

Hard to believe that a professor of academia would even have to ask, given that.

 

[shart attack]

US doesn't do revolutions, nor are we going to war again ( just getting people out to demonstrate is damn near impossible).

I had this discussion with a friend; mentioned I see no way out, since Americans are stupified into a survival mode.

And doesn't "survival mode" include war?

It has in the world history I've studied.

Plus some want that elusive "upward mobility" (but they aren't going to move into the 1%'rs).

Yeah. Well. Exactly.

And that's why a second, multi-issue civil war in the United States would/ could be far more destructive than the first one, which was a simple, single-issue, concurrent cleavage.

we accept the fact of plutocratic rule, both corporate and governing (at least 1/2 of Congress are millionaires). So look for more of the same

Maybe you accept that.

Some don't.

And that's one of the things that could impel The War.

 

[Grand Mal]

Civil War? Our poor's biggest challenge, like the rest of us, is to not eat so much that they get to weighing 300 lbs. THe well fed do not revolt.

But they're occasionally revolting. (sorry about that, I should have resisted).
I think I've noticed that poorer people are more likely to be overweight, maybe because they can't afford to or don't know how to eat well.
But you're right, any hypothetical civil warfare in the US is unlikely to be an economic or social class war. The vocal polarity is more racial and ideological.

 

[joG]

Who will be the first to die?

The super-rich (the 99 percenters) have the money to fund continual armaments, but will anyone fight for them? Or do some Americans — unlike the 99 percenters — still believe in a thing called principle over principal?

What classes will have the military know-how to sustain themselves long-term in The War?

What will happen to the media bobbleheads and celebrities who fanned The War's flames for years? Will they be given the Marie Antoinette treatment? How long will it take for it to happen — will it happen in The War's early stages, or in its later ones?

What will The War's eventual final outcome be? Will America be a Chinese province?

I really don't think you are on the right track there.

 

[calamity]

But they're occasionally revolting. (sorry about that, I should have resisted).
I think I've noticed that poorer people are more likely to be overweight, maybe because they can't afford to or don't know how to eat well.
But you're right, any hypothetical civil warfare in the US is unlikely to be an economic or social class war. The vocal polarity is more racial and ideological.

I can definitely see the Right and the Left coming to blows. In fact, if Liberals were anywhere near as armed as Righties, they would probably already be exchanging bullets.

 

[Grand Mal]

Who will be the first to die?

The super-rich (the 99 percenters) have the money to fund continual armaments, but will anyone fight for them? Or do some Americans — unlike the 99 percenters — still believe in a thing called principle over principal?

What classes will have the military know-how to sustain themselves long-term in The War?

What will happen to the media bobbleheads and celebrities who fanned The War's flames for years? Will they be given the Marie Antoinette treatment? How long will it take for it to happen — will it happen in The War's early stages, or in its later ones?

What will The War's eventual final outcome be? Will America be a Chinese province?

If you're waiting for class warfare in the US, put your feet up and get comfy. Ain't happening- it's the norm to make one's relative affluence a result of personal character or irresistible outside forces or social darwinism. The deepest divisions in US society are racial and ideological, and they're not likely to result in civil warfare any time soon.

 

[shart attack]

Civil War? Our poor's biggest challenge, like the rest of us, is to not eat so much that they get to weighing 300 lbs. THe well fed do not revolt.

But they're occasionally revolting. (sorry about that, I should have resisted).

I think I've noticed that poorer people are more likely to be overweight, maybe because they can't afford to or don't know how to eat well.

Pounds can turn into muscle with exercise.

War is exercise, yes?

But you're right, any hypothetical civil warfare in the US is unlikely to be an economic or social class war. The vocal polarity is more racial and ideological.

Which makes the prospect of a second U.S. Civil War all the more dangerous, does it not?

 

[shart attack]

I really don't think you are on the right track there.

So tell me why I'm not, then.

It's what a professor guiding someone's senior thesis would do, yes?

 

[shart attack]

If you're waiting for class warfare in the US, put your feet up and get comfy. Ain't happening- it's the norm to make one's relative affluence a result of personal character or irresistible outside forces or social darwinism. The deepest divisions in US society are racial and ideological, and they're not likely to result in civil warfare any time soon.

Ideological divisions can be the same things as class warfare.

 

[Grand Mal]

I can definitely see the Right and the Left coming to blows. In fact, if Liberals were anywhere near as armed as Righties, they would probably already be exchanging bullets.

Yeah, that's what I meant. My alarm bells started sounding in 2008, during the Presidential campaign, when I saw a TV report about an Obama town-hall-type stop and there was a guy outside with a rifle over his shoulder and a sign around his neck saying, "It's time to water the tree of liberty". I don't know if he was referring to the junior senator from Illinois as a tyrant or himself as a patriot martyr but it was, for me, a line being crossed.

 

[Grand Mal]

Ideological divisions can be the same things as class warfare.

C'mon. Put some effort into it.

 

[joG]

So tell me why I'm not, then.

It's what a professor guiding someone's senior thesis would do, yes?

Really? Then show me the research behind the hypothesis and we can discuss it.

 

[shart attack]

Really? Then show me the research behind the hypothesis and we can discuss it.

I don't have to justify anything to you.

That's what we're doing here: trying to debate the idea's potential — whether or not it could in fact happen. And I was the first one to ask the questions.

Some people are actually bringing things to this thread. You are not.

That is how entitled people act. And I myself think that may be one of the things that could in fact impel a second U.S. Civil War.

I am five generations removed from being the nephew of the guy (I won't call him a gent, because he wasn't one) who started the Democratic Party, and I don't feel the least bit entitled. Not like the self-appointed "best Americans" in the halls of academia, at least.

There are no kings in America, by God.

 

[calamity]

Yeah, that's what I meant. My alarm bells started sounding in 2008, during the Presidential campaign, when I saw a TV report about an Obama town-hall-type stop and there was a guy outside with a rifle over his shoulder and a sign around his neck saying, "It's time to water the tree of liberty". I don't know if he was referring to the junior senator from Illinois as a tyrant or himself as a patriot martyr but it was, for me, a line being crossed.

Oh yeah. I remember that.

 

[Helix]

Who will be the first to die?

not sure, but i can tell you who will be the first to leave.

me.

another civil war in a country which is still conducting free and fair elections is my "**** this" moment. i'll be emigrating to Scotland. you all can shoot each other over financial / political disagreements without me.

peace and love,

Helix

 

[joG]

I don't have to justify anything to you.
.....
There are no kings in America, by God.

God forbid! Odd reaction after asking for assistance, though.

 

[Grand Mal]

not sure, but i can tell you who will be the first to leave.

me.

another civil war in a country which is still conducting free and fair elections is my "**** this" moment. i'll be emigrating to Scotland. you all can shoot each other over financial / political disagreements without me.

peace and love,

Helix

Emigrate to Scotland? You a Celtic or Rangers supporter? Or one of those rugby lunatics.

 

[shart attack]

God forbid! Odd reaction after asking for assistance, though.

People who don't feel entitled have no need of asking for assistance.