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So, the Democrats Won. What Now?

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Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?
 
I don’t share your hunch (optimism?) that “spending cap” legislation will become more likely. If anything, more pork will likely be accepted (needed?) to gain ‘bipartisan’ support.

As for what is next (as in 2025?), that remains to be seen.
 
Jay59 said:
Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?
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Dude the cries about how the dems are killing america didn't work and yet here you are starting off the next election cycle repeating the same doom and gloom if the dems win.

Get a new schtick.
 
What now?

I think I'll brag for a little while about how the American voters have at least temporarily saved democracy from the fascist Republican Nazi Party.

And I'll be bragging even more if the Democrats also win the House.

Which is not out of the question, by any means. As I describe here. --

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Jay59 said:
So, what do we do next?
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Go be honest conservatives again, with reasonable people representing a brand of government conservatism a significant portion of the nation wants, and what was set forth well before the likes of Gingrich, Rove, Trump, MTG, and Gaetz came along and ****ed up.
 
Jay59 said:
Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.
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That has not been determined yet. Seems likely, but not even called.
 
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Has no one been here been keeping up with the long ass list of Biden accomplishments? I mean really? This is a political message board.
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I've been keeping up. There is no point explaining Biden's accomplishments to these Repug troglodytes, however. They're not interested in a real discussion about it.
 
I wouldn't rule out any new legislation. The GOP majority will be so small that getting a few moderate Republicans to vote with the Dems on popular legislation won't be that hard. Getting it to the floor will be the trick but the GOP must show they can govern and not just spend their time on useless investigations if they want to do well in 2024.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
I've been keeping up. There is no point explaining Biden's accomplishments to these Repug troglodytes, however. They're not interested in a real discussion about it.
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I don't expect all of Twitter or Gen Z or people who watch TV to keep up. But this is a damn political message board. That list is basic stuff.
 
(If the Republicans take the House, which is still far from certain.)

America gets a two year reminder of what Republicans with any power in Washington looks like. Given the current makeup of the House Republican Caucus, that is an absolute disaster. I see them struggling to pass any legislation on to the Senate whatsoever.

Supply issues that have caused a strain on the economy as we move beyond the pandemic will make the economy less of a drag for Democrats. Rejection of bodily autonomy continues to be a major blow to the Republicans.

The Republican Civil War to see who controls the party going forward should be entertaining though. It's difficult to see a unified front suddenly forming again though.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I don't expect all of Twitter or Gen Z or people who watch TV to keep up. But this is a damn political message board. That list is basic stuff.
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So is the fact that Biden won the 2020 election. These people don't care. They are radicalized and hopeless. And dangerous.

There is no point trying to talk sense to them. I only come here to make fun of them.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Has no one been here been keeping up with the long ass list of Biden accomplishments? I mean really? This is a political message board.
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Those accomplishments are somewhat offset by negative things (e.g. inflation, rising energy costs and southern border chaos) which Joe “No more drilling” Biden insists are beyond his power to change (or even talk much about). Other problems, like rising crime and falling K-12 student achievement levels are largely beyond federal government control, but are problems none the less.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Those accomplishments are somewhat offset by negative things (e.g. inflation, rising energy costs and southern border chaos) which Joe “No more drilling” Biden insists are beyond his power to change (or even talk much about). Other problems, like rising crime and falling K-12 student achievement levels are largely beyond federal government control, but are problems none the less.
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Inflation is a global problem due to the supply/demand problems from the Covid pandemic and the war in Ukraine. There is nothing that an American president is going to do to significantly impact this problem. In fact, inflation is much worse in Europe than it is in the U.S.

It's just an asinine discussion.
 
Callen said:
I wouldn't rule out any new legislation. The GOP majority will be so small that getting a few moderate Republicans to vote with the Dems on popular legislation won't be that hard. Getting it to the floor will be the trick but the GOP must show they can govern and not just spend their time on useless investigations if they want to do well in 2024.
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I’m not sure it won’t be hard (and thus include loads of pork), but bipartisan support will certainly become more important to get legislation passed.
 
Jay59 said:
Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?
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What do we do now?
We live our lives Jay. We live our lives.
 
Jay59 said:
Republicans were poised to celebrate a blowout but Democrats pulled the upset. It was not a big win, because Republicans will control the House, but a clear win nonetheless.

What now. With no working margin on either side of Congress, new legislation is unlikely. Judging from history, the only things like to occur are spending cap related.

Economically, the COVID bounceback is over and the COVID hangover has set it. Global supply problems abound due to failed businesses and the war in Ukraine. In USA we had a real GDP recession for the first half of this year and runaway inflation making an unusual pairing of economic opposites. Food and heating costs are leading the way making this winter particularly harsh for the middle class and poor. In spite of having no real influence, Democrats will absorb much of the blame for that. Calls of obstructionism are old and tired.

If 2023 looks bleak economically, 2024 looks better regardless of what anyone does. The real question is how much things turn around and how fast. So, Democrats will not have to run against the economy though it may not actually help. Also, primary season could be very different economically from election season.

So, what do we do next?
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Impeach?
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
Inflation is a global problem due to the supply/demand problems from the Covid pandemic and the war in Ukraine. There is nothing that an American president is going to do to significantly impact this problem. In fact, inflation is much worse in Europe than it is in the U.S.

It's just an asinine discussion.
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The war on fossil fuels and the green boondoggle started in Europe before Biden brought it to the US. We haven't caught up.....yet.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
Inflation is a global problem due to the supply/demand problems from the Covid pandemic and the war in Ukraine. There is nothing that an American president is going to do to significantly impact this problem. In fact, inflation is much worse in Europe than it is in the U.S.

It's just an asinine discussion.
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hey, Fox pushes it so they have to talk about it.
 
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