Skygate 911[W:39:279]

[Thoreau72]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Wait, how do we know that? I was up that day and none of the controllers reported irregularities.

Your ignorance on this subject is showing. Controllers reported irregularities, the subject of injects was covered in the Toronto newspaper and others in the MSM. Remarks about "real world or exercise?" were included in the Commission Report.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Your ignorance on this subject is showing. Controllers reported irregularities, the subject of injects was covered in the Toronto newspaper and others in the MSM. Remarks about "real world or exercise?" were included in the Commission Report.

I wonder if he was able to find a "credible source" for the NTSB Radar Data Speed Study document yet. That must be a real shocker to him if he has...lol

Meh, he probably just thinks that it was edited by P4T no matter which source he gets the document. I bet if he gets the document directly from the NTSB, he will probably think P4T somehow hacked into the NTSB servers and edited the doc. :lamo

 

[Onesliceshort]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Thought so. You can only link a document "from the NTSB" that you've had time to edit.

505 gives this comment a thumbs up even though he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time. Brilliant.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

505 gives this comment a thumbs up even though he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time. Brilliant.

lol... would anything else be expected? 505 is a walking contradiction, and if he/she/it actually had any evidence of P4T editing NTSB documents, he would have jumped all over it...

I think "Deuce" is starting to wake up though... as is apparent in his questioning of where the 510 Knots speed came from, and then further attempting to claim that P4T edited the NTSB document. He has no choice but to offer such a theory, as he knows 510 knots at sea level is absurd for the aircraft reported near sea level.

Deuce, in my opinion, is a real pilot. Although I don't think he has ever flown part 121. He is probably a "weekend warrior" or perhaps a freight dog flying something like a C-206 or a Baron for Flight Express (if they are still in business, not sure). The dead giveaway is when he said he disconnects the AP by bumping the yoke with his elbow when reaching for charts behind his seat.

It actually takes a bit more than that to disconnect the AP in a Transport Category Aircraft. And I have yet to find one Capt or FO who would put their charts behind their seat, given most aircraft of such type have a space right next to your seat to hold your flight bag (and all the charts you need). I won't even bother to get into Electronic Flight Bags here.

With that said, I'm thinking "Deuce" might come around, when he actually looks at the data and stops making excuses. I was the same way...

If not... well... as the old saying goes... some people you just can't reach...

 

[505]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

505 gives this comment a thumbs up even though he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time. Brilliant.

Pardon? Where do I reject the NTSB findings?

 

[505]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

505 is a walking contradiction.

Oh yeah? And you're a fraud that uses a tragedy to make money since you suck at everything else you've ever done. And I haven't contradicted anything you ****. My stance is very clear. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, the Twin Towers were not rigged with CD, and you truther leader scumbags (you, box-boy-gage, jones, griffin,) are all down there with the lowest forms of pond-scum on the entire planet. You should all be charged with fraud.

 

[505]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

505 gives this comment a thumbs up even though he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time. Brilliant.

Oh and just for the record, I "liked" Deuce's post because he (correctly) pointed out that the only thing balls-ammo and his followers are good at is twisting information or lying about it. That is why "p4t" can ONLY link to "conspiracy blogs" instead of produce actual source material.

And I'm sure you're about to prove me right when you try to twist me saying "the last 4 seconds of data was missing when the NTSB (initially) released it" into "he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time". That is ALL you truthers do. Twist twist twist. Have fun with that Rusty.

 

[mike2810]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

I have noticed that P4T basically links back to the website. Why is it that I cannot find p4t findings in creditable aviation publications?

 

[505]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

I have noticed that P4T basically links back to the website. Why is it that I cannot find p4t findings in creditable aviation publications?

7 years and he hasn't done jack **** with his "findings". He would rather make DVDs and sell women's clothing. There's no profit in TRUTH, but he can do nothing with his life and sit at his computer all day selling TROOF forever. :roll:

 

[Deuce]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

You are more than welcome to pick up your own directly from the NTSB via FOIA in the link I provided for you on the NTSB website.

Here it is again...
http://www.ntsb.gov/pubmail/pubmail.aspx

You really think Pilots For 9/11 Truth and all the other sources on the net edited the NTSB Radar Data Speed Study in the same exact way? Including 9/11 Myths.. .a "debunker" site?

And you call us "Conspiracy theorists"????

:lamo

I think it's your job to support your beliefs, not mine.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

I think it's your job to support your beliefs, not mine.

Have you been able to read the NTSB Radar Study yet? Do you still think P4T edited it? :lamo

 

[Thoreau72]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Oh and just for the record, I "liked" Deuce's post because he (correctly) pointed out that the only thing balls-ammo and his followers are good at is twisting information or lying about it. That is why "p4t" can ONLY link to "conspiracy blogs" instead of produce actual source material.

And I'm sure you're about to prove me right when you try to twist me saying "the last 4 seconds of data was missing when the NTSB (initially) released it" into "he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time". That is ALL you truthers do. Twist twist twist. Have fun with that Rusty.

It has not yet dawned on you, and probably never will, that "actual source material" (which implies something from the government or a 'peer reviewed article') is part of a coverup, and nothing but propaganda. The NTSB reports and FDR data are a perfect example of that.

There were no Boeings at Shanksville & the Pentagon, for example, so how on earth could there actually be FDRs? There could not have been. The "actual source material" is bogus, a fraud.

 

[Onesliceshort]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

And I'm sure you're about to prove me right when you try to twist me saying "the last 4 seconds of data was missing when the NTSB (initially) released it" into "he rejects the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time". That is ALL you truthers do. Twist twist twist. Have fun with that Rusty.

How am I twisting anything when you do reject the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time? Do you or don't you?

Yes you do :mrgreen:

If there are "4/5/6 extra seconds" did Jim Ritter rely solely on the alleged FDR data? How about the RADES data? Is that unreliable too? Is this "4/5/6 extra seconds" corroborated anywhere else?

I'm not interested in your or Stutt's attempts at inventing subplots for the official story. The official story is full of holes and lies but there is no official story Part 2 Either you agree with it or you don't. Only the NTSB can clear it up. Nobody else.

Your "opinion" is irrelevant.

Stutt's excruciating nipple twisting of numbers from a serial number void pile of junk data that has "Flight 77" taking off from a field, self aligns with radar data in flight even though it had no GPS, where the alleged impact had to be worked backwards from the facade cos it lined up with jacksh*t, where the RADALT was allegedly working almost three times above its limitations, and even if the "extra 4/5/6 seconds" are planted on, it still doesn't add up to impact!

And no witness saw the aircraft on the directional damage path.

Did you also buy the "bird striking the engine" excuse when it was first rolled out? Haha

That data was either pure invention or manipulated. And they messed up.

Calm down 505. You sound hysterical.

 

[Helix]

re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Moderator's Warning:

No more personal attacks.

 

[Tristan1961]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

How am I twisting anything when you do reject the NTSB findings on the alleged impact time? Do you or don't you?

Your "opinion" is irrelevant.

And yours is relevant? Balsamo's is relevant? P4T's is relevant?

Your group claims to not "offer theory or point blame" but you claim the aircraft were still airborne receiving ACARS messages, you claim the aircraft exceeded the 150% safety margin above "design limits" and should have been torn apart, you claim the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours, you claim your pilots could not hit the Towers yet a remote-controlled drone could, you claim "things" that you say can only be confirmed with proprietary information from Boeing (hence the "new investigation"), yet you claim them to be. You ramble on about "GL", or "government loyalists"...how is that not "pointing blames (sic)"?

Sounds like that is all you do...offer "theory" and "point blame".

So why again should we take anything you say as relevant?

Greetings to the forum. Chasing the darkness.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

And yours is relevant? Balsamo's is relevant? P4T's is relevant?

Your group claims to not "offer theory or point blame" but you claim the aircraft were still airborne receiving ACARS messages, you claim the aircraft exceeded the 150% safety margin above "design limits" and should have been torn apart, you claim the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours, you claim your pilots could not hit the Towers yet a remote-controlled drone could, you claim "things" that you say can only be confirmed with proprietary information from Boeing (hence the "new investigation"), yet you claim them to be. You ramble on about "GL", or "government loyalists"...how is that not "pointing blames (sic)"?

Sounds like that is all you do...offer "theory" and "point blame".

So why again should we take anything you say as relevant?

Greetings to the forum. Chasing the darkness.

very simply, there is just one fact to get here
in 9/11/2001 there were NO airliners hijacked & used as weapons.
the MSM lied!

Bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

And yours is relevant? Balsamo's is relevant? P4T's is relevant?

Your group claims to not "offer theory or point blame" but you claim the aircraft were still airborne receiving ACARS messages, you claim the aircraft exceeded the 150% safety margin above "design limits" and should have been torn apart, you claim the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours, you claim your pilots could not hit the Towers yet a remote-controlled drone could, you claim "things" that you say can only be confirmed with proprietary information from Boeing (hence the "new investigation"), yet you claim them to be. You ramble on about "GL", or "government loyalists"...how is that not "pointing blames (sic)"?

Sounds like that is all you do...offer "theory" and "point blame".

So why again should we take anything you say as relevant?

Greetings to the forum. Chasing the darkness.

You should take it as relevant because you want to improve your knowledge base on this particular subject.

If you've done any research at all, examined the facts and evidence, then you already know the official story is full of holes and grossly untruthful.

 

[Onesliceshort]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

And yours is relevant? Balsamo's is relevant? P4T's is relevant?

505's opinion is irrelevant when he arrogantly presents it as some sort of stopgap for the official narrative. That the NTSB conclusions are "wrong" but that his opinion on how they are wrong somehow papers over a gaping hole, which is admitted by him, to be contained within the 9/11 Commission Report.

Is that clear enough for you?

By the way, I'm not a core member of Pilotsfor911Truth.

Links please to where it's been shown that "the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours"?

I've more issues with what you've said but be a sport and acknowledge the two clarifications and provide the link to the proof that "every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours" had their cockpit doors shown to be "closed".

Thanks.

 

[Onesliceshort]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

505's opinion is irrelevant when he arrogantly presents it as some sort of stopgap for the official narrative. That the NTSB conclusions are "wrong" but that his opinion on how they are wrong somehow papers over a gaping hole, which is admitted by him, to be contained within the 9/11 Commission Report.

Is that clear enough for you?

By the way, I'm not a core member of Pilotsfor911Truth.

Links please to where it's been shown that "the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours"?

I've more issues with what you've said but be a sport and acknowledge the two clarifications and provide the link to the proof that "every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours" had their cockpit doors shown to be "closed".

Thanks.

Bump for Tristan1961.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Bump for Tristan1961.

"Tristan1961" won't be coming back any time soon. He/she/it probably realized there are more "nuts" here than the "nuts" who ignore him at his own blog. :lamo

 

[Onesliceshort]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

"Tristan1961" won't be coming back any time soon. He/she/it probably realized there are more "nuts" here than the "nuts" who ignore him at his own blog. :lamo

eace

 

[Tristan1961]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Links please to where it's been shown that "the cockpit doors were closed, on every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours"?

I've more issues with what you've said but be a sport and acknowledge the two clarifications and provide the link to the proof that "every transcontinental flight for a number of weeks prior to 9/11, flights in excess of 4 hours" had their cockpit doors shown to be "closed".

Thanks.

Ask your leader. He knows this and ignores the significance of it because it would make him look more like a donkey than he already does.

Better yet, let's ask him here.

Captain Bob? Can you provide OSS with the link to your posts that discuss about how the cockpit door on AA 77 was registered as closed and "never opened" on the previous 11 or so flights (transcontinental) prior to Sept 11? I'm sure OSS would appreciate it and you have better use of your search function than I.

FLT DECK DOOR "'not working or unconfirmed parameter". Them AA pilots either had the world's biggest bladders or Captain Bob is off the reservation again and hauiling you with him, OSS. You should recalibrate with whom you associate with.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

The only information which has been provided claiming the cockpit door was closed for "all flights" was provided by some guy on the web who admits:

"I do not have any specific credentials to investigate FDRs or aircraft accidents....

I am not affiliated with nor have I ever worked with or for neither the US National Transport Safety Board (NTSB) nor any other aircraft accident investigator.

I am neither a pilot nor an aircraft engineer and have never flown an aircraft. I am not affiliated with nor have I ever worked with or for any airline, any pilots’ organisation, any aircraft engineering organisation or any FDR manufacturer.

My investigation in to the events of September 11th 2001 is unofficial, independent and completely voluntary.

I was born in New Zealand and I have joint New Zealand and Irish citizenship. I lived in New Zealand up until June 2008 and since then have lived in Brisbane, Australia."​

The data allegedly decoded by the above individual has not been verified by anyone. As usual and seen many times throughout these threads, "Debunkers" will take the word of some anonymous guy on the web if it supports their confirmation bias.

The same person admits the previous flights were relatively short and acknowledged the possibility that the Pilots may have never left the cockpit during those flights. I have been on many 3-4 hour flights never leaving the cockpit, nor getting a coffee from FA's. But in order to speculate that such actions may have taken place, one would first have to prove the data came from an airplane operating in scheduled service for American Airlines.

No one has provided any evidence linking the data to N644AA ("AA77"), nor is there any proof the data came from an aircraft in use for revenue service by American Airlines.

The cockpit door data for the last flight has been verified. It shows closed. There is no evidence showing the cockpit door open for a hijack to occur. This is a fact.

All Primary altitude data, which is listed as "confirmed and working", shows the aircraft too high to have caused the damage at the Pentagon. This is a fact.

 

[Tristan1961]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

Captain Bob? Can you provide OSS with the link to your posts that discuss about how the cockpit door on AA 77 was registered as closed and "never opened" on the previous 11 or so flights (transcontinental) prior to Sept 11? I'm sure OSS would appreciate it and you have better use of your search function than I.

So you aren't going to. I see.

There you have it, OSS. Your Leader won't even link to his own conclusions and instead choses to character assasinate someone from out in left field who disagrees with his claims.

"Yes, the FLT DECK DOOR value was CLOSED for the entire flight. Oh wait, the same parameter is the same for ALL recorded 12 flights. The pilots never got anything to eat or left the flight deck to go to the bathroom, not even on the long LA - DC flights. As a matter of fact, the door is NEVER recorded OPEN for any point ever when the FDR is recording. Very strange. The pilots must have worn those astronaut diapers."

What does the NTSB and the FAA say about this, Captain Bob? Surely you've taken these explosive finding to them. What did they say?

Not everyone has cast iron bladders like Captain Bob Balsamo.

 

[PilotsForTruth]

Re: Skygate 911[W:39]

"Yes, the FLT DECK DOOR value was CLOSED for the entire flight. Oh wait, the same parameter is the same for ALL recorded 12 flights. The pilots never got anything to eat or left the flight deck to go to the bathroom, not even on the long LA - DC flights. As a matter of fact, the door is NEVER recorded OPEN for any point ever when the FDR is recording. Very strange. The pilots must have worn those astronaut diapers."

Translation - "I have no evidence linking the data to an airplane operated by American Airlines in revenue service. I have not verified any of the data except take the word of some anonymous guy on the net who admits he has no expertise in FDR data. I have no evidence showing the Flight Deck Door open in order for a hijack to occur".