"Residents of Damascus suburbs recount massive assault by Assad army; videos show small children convulsing on the floor, foaming at the nose and mouth. Doctor: Injuries correspond with sarin gas "Well Obama's red line has been crossed and we went into Libya for far less so what do you think?
"The men, women and children lying undisturbed in their beds had looked so peaceful they might have been just sleeping, Abu Nidal thought, as he and other rescuers dragged their bodies into the street."
"His was one of many accounts of a massive assault on the eastern suburbs of Damascus that activists say killed more than 500 people on Wednesday morning. They say some of the bombs were loaded with chemical agent, which would make it the worst chemical attack since the conflict began"
Syrians retrieve 'sleeping' dead after alleged chemical attack - Israel News, Ynetnews
Regarding energy development;I think energy development should be left to the private sector. Infrastructure should be up to the individual states. Yes, paying off the deficit is also a concern of the federal government.
...and you think we'll be more welcomed than the French?
I really wish we could mind our own business for once. But whom am I kidding? Call the World Police. AMERICA - **** yeah!
let's see....we've got two sets of bad guys killing each other. should we send young (and in many cases not so young) american men and women into harm's way to stop it? hell no. I say let 'em fight it out and then go in and sweep up the pieces. Set up a couple of wal-marts and costcos
My only complaint is with Obama. If you are going to draw a line in the sand...have the ****ing balls and be prepared to back it up if/when the line is crossed. If you don't.....keep your ****ing mouth shut.
France needs to just STFU. When's the last time they actually did anything?
They were worse under Bush than Obama.
Nothing quite like invading/controlling two countries and then failing to assist them, not only once, but twice.
Your first sentence is nonsense, of course - just ask most residents of the middle east today. When Bush said something related to the middle east, the people there sat up and listened because they knew he meant it and was prepared to back up his words. When Obama speaks, just like here in the west, people just change the channel or go back to sleep - they know it's just more hot air from the clown prince of pomposity.
Secondly, I wasn't aware that the purpose of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were to colonize two new American states. The Iraqis by and large are quite pleased to be rid of Sadaam, except for those hangers on who are still trying to be relevant by bombing innocents, but in general they are progressing and have no need for further American assistance. Afghanistan is a little more troublesome, but even someone like you isn't suggesting that America should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go unanswered, are you?
Bush was a joke to the Middle East and everyone knew it. He was doing what he was told and at least Obama hasn't been the push around that Bush was with the military. That alone makes him more worthwhile than the previous. Also I hate to break it to you but the Middle East likes Obama a lot more than Bush.
I'll back that up with actual polls on top of having many friends from Egypt, Saudi, and Iraq.
Global opinion of Obama
Global Opinion of Bush
Egypt Obama 42% approval Bush 30%
So let's not base your opinion on nonfactual information.
Naturally they are glad to be rid of the dictator we put in charge in Iraq, it was our mess to begin with yet again. We had to go in 30+ yrs later and try to clean it up. Which is exactly what we did with Afghanistan as well. Only this time we are actually trying to rebuild the country as opposed to just giving the local populace weapons and pretend to be surprised at the rise of a terrorist cell when we refused to help them after the Soviet invasion was thwarted.
9/11 had to be answered, but the answer wasn't even in Afghanistan which is funny to me the man responsible was found in the neighboring country of Pakistan. I remember saying that Osama was going to flee to Taliban controlled Pakistan right after our invasion of Afghanistan. I wasn't around here then but there were some local forums that I took a lot of flak on for saying that.
Depends on the mode of engagement, there was hardly overwhelming opposition in Libya or in Iraqi Kurdistan as there was no attempt at nation building in either case, in a worst case scenario logistical support could be offered to Turkey. Erdogan gets to look like a hard main and an major regional crisis is averted, everyone wins.
They see us as a paper tiger because our leader has no balls, no intelligence and no experience.
An empty suit.
No idea. Where's is their aircraft carrier at the moment?
Er, you think they'd just bluster and do nothing should US troops launch an incursion into Syria? I don't believe they would sit on their hands.
Well said.
Does anyone, other than myself, find it somewhat ironic that some folks, from one side of their mouth say that America reflects a weakened image by not acting as the world's policemen and with the other side of their mouth warn us how dangerous China is, who have avoided international interventions for as long as I can remember, as they are now such a 'super power."
If China can grow and prosper by keeping their noses out of other nation's pissing matches, why can't the US?
...but we aren't and we won't. We're going to help other nations secure theirs, though...ineptocracy.
These deaths are in NO WAY on Obama's hands.
Syria is ultimately NOT our responsibility.
Oh no? The 'Line" he drew was crossed months ago. He's all talk and no stones. He should be the president of France.
But hey I guess we might find out, eh?
You'd better not. A war in the ME could spiral into a full scale world war with horrific consequences. :doh
There have been multiple warnings by astrologists, seers and analysts.
Good point. Imagine how awful it would be if there were American troops in the Middle East, or if we ever used (for example) drones to strike targets there.
We don't have to imagine how awful it would be, we can see the evidence of how awful it would be by looking at the mayhem that is the broken, failed state of Iraq
a legacy of collapse, criminality and sectarianism. It was a terrible place to live under Saddam. It's quite an achievement of Western influence that it is even worse after his removal.
they adopt the attitude of "we hate you America, look what you've done to our country!" And then we're the bad guys.[/QUOTE]I'm very wary of intervening. A lot of times countries will beg for our help and then[QUOTE]when all is said and done
[/I][/B]they adopt the attitude of "we hate you America, look what you've done to our country!" And then we're the bad guys.
I noticed a good while ago that when all is said and done a lot more gets said than is ever done.
The big problem for the USA in Syria is that no matter which side wins the result will not be good for the USA.
So the best thing for the USA in Syria is that the current conflict carry on forever.
On the plus side that would be good for arms merchants.
I noted that the overwhelming majority of those who voted in the poll agree that going into Syria is not a good idea for the USA.
Yeah, Iraq. Because Iraq is so much worse right now than Syria. Or Libya (where our actions matched roughly what is under discussion), which has seen millions and millions of casualties :roll:
:lamo Dude, I've been there, and you're going to have to sell that line of bull to someone else.Even in Fallujah (which did pretty well under Saddam), the people were telling us it was better after than before. Iraq absolutely has its' problems and its' conflicts, but the civilian casualties there over eight years match Syria's over two years. Iraq at least has a (poorly, agreeably) functioning government; Syria is a chaotic whirlwind of blood.
I think Putin is calling Obama's bluff and it's working.
They see the US as weak and vulnerable.
Yeah, it's all great in Libya and Iraq these days, isn't it? :roll:
A very close friend of mine has been working in Iraq for an international humanitarian organisation for 4 years now. I hear first-hand accounts of how it is. Forgive me if I accord those greater weight than the bluster of neo-con propaganda.
Jailbreaks and suicide bombers push Iraq back towards anarchy
We all believe what we want. And to tell you the truth I think your friend is right. I would not like to have to live in Iraq. But I would not habe liked it before that either. As a matter of fact, I have looked at the numbers and the present condition is not really very much different than before. The number of deaths might even be lower than under the dictatorship and it is different people who are dieing.
But what do you expect? It takes decades to establish good societies. Anyone that criticizes the present situation is not being real or is looking for justification to keep our treasure at home. That is totally legitimate. But it has nothing to do with the present state of Iraq.
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