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Should we cut and run in Iraq or finish the job we started?

Should we cut and run in Iraq or finish the job we started?

  • Cut and Run

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • Finish the job

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • Total voters
    23
Navy Pride said:
I grieve for every loss of American life in Iraq but in 3 years there we have lost less then 3,000 men......In WW2 we lost 6,000 men on D Day at the landings on Normandy....You have yo put things in the proper prospective.........
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Proper perspective? IN Normandy US and allied troops came under the most formidable artillery barrage in the history of warfare. They faced cannon of navel gun size and everything on down not just mortars. They also faced an army that was organized with a war industry behind it that at least equaled and rivaled the allied forces. The soldiers on D Day were not facing a rag tag group of insurgents armed with captured or stolen small arms. I think your perspective is a bit skewered here.
 
Greg Palast: Cut and Run - It's Fun!
by Greg Palast
Imagine this: You're tied to a stake and savages are about to light the logs under your feet.
So, class, what do you do?

Cut and run!

How about this one? Evil-doers have tied you to the railroad tracks and the Teheran Express is bearing down on you. If you have any brains at all, whatcha gonna do?

Cut and run!

President George Bush has been accusing Democrats of having a reasonable, coherent Iraq policy: getting out alive. "Cut and run" for short.

Of course, most Democrats have denied having a "clear-cut" program on Iraq, preferring, "setting a firm date for phased withdrawal." We don't know what that date is, but if it's anything later than Thursday, the policy is a fudge. Sorry, but "gnaw and wiggle" won't do. Cut and run gets the job done. Gets you the heck out of harm's way. When that runaway truck is careening down the jogging track, you don't 'Stay the Course.'

Try it yourself: Cut and run can be fun!

If pirates tie a boulder to your neck, what should you do, kids?


Cut and run!

Or, let's say you've got the wires to Dick Cheney's pacemaker in your hand. What should you do? (No, no, no! Be kind.) Speaking of cut and run -- there's still corporations getting their cut in Iraq.
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www.gregpalast.com
 
Yes the corporations are getting their "cut" in "running" Iraq.:lol:
 
GarzaUK said:
I personally don't think we should just cut and run and I'm a whacko liberal compared to you yanks LOL :shock:

This was America's war, she waged it, the President waged it, Congress waged it and yes the people waged it. In a democracy the people are also to blame for politicans policies.
America waged it on false pretenses and lies. The Bush Administration ignored history of the region, they ignored alot of thinks because they were bought over by the Neo-Con rainbow to controlling the region through indirect power.

If America does pull out, the ME will collapse and the results will be far worse than Americans dying, believe me.
So suck it up and finished this immoral war that you started. You will no win this war, but you must stay until the damages are limited.
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And thanks to Europe for all that help and support. The left is getting what it has worked so hard for. Now let's get ready for what will come.
 
Stinger said:
And thanks to Europe for all that help and support. The left is getting what it has worked so hard for. Now let's get ready for what will come.
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OOOOOOO....more scare tactics from our radical Republican right wing on Debate Forum! Now to add to it good old Stinger also decides it's also time to blame EUROPE for not joining the "coalition of the willling." Problem is Europe did join, saw what a mess the US has made of Iraq and packed their bags and went home....something we need to do...

You better watch out, you better not cry,
Better not pout I'm telling you why:
The Democrats are Coming to Town!

We're making a list, And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld) and nice.
The Democrats are coming to town.

The Republicans see you when you're sleeping.
The GOP know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So Stay The Course for evil's sake!

Oh, you better watch out! You better not cry.
Better not pout, I'm telling you why:
The Democrats are coming to town.
The Democrats are coming to town.

:rofl :2wave:
 
Europe owes us nothing and vice-versa. All of this must be business as usual. We feel the necessity to go into the ME militarily. So we go. Europe does not feel this necessity. They don't go. Why do so many people feel that whatever we (the US) do all others must be in agreement with us and support us? That makes no sense at all. Those who will benefit by what we do will go along with it, those who do not benefit don't have to go along with it. That is how the game is played; by them and by us.
 
Inuyasha said:
Europe owes us nothing and vice-versa.
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OK so what?

Thanks for the help in Iraq Europe. When we pull out and the Iraq government fails you can expect more to come your way.


The left is getting what they want, now we all have to live with it.

Hey thanks to all the leftest here whose main goal was to see the Bush administration fail. Just imagine if the insurgents and the terrorist and would be terrorist had seen a firm resolve here and a united world? Just think if the left hadn't convinced the American people and the rest of the world that this was a lost cause, an immoral cause, an illegal war led by a President who lied about it all to enrich his buddies.

Geez I guess I can't really blame any other countries for not joining us after the rhetoric of the anti-bush side here.
 
Stinger said:
OK so what?

Thanks for the help in Iraq Europe. When we pull out and the Iraq government fails you can expect more to come your way.


The left is getting what they want, now we all have to live with it.
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You are living in a world of ideals unfortunately it's not the real one. You took one sentence of mine out of context. For what I don't know. What I said after that are the real facts. 30 years ago Europe wanted our co-operation in their war on terror at that time. It was not in out immediate interst to participate. We didn't. You you hear the Europeans whining about it? We got ourselves into this mess and we'll have to get ourselves out of it. Don't look around for help if you've got nothing to offer because you won't get any help.It is obvious after 4 years Europe feels we have nothing to offer. Weather they are right or wrong isn't the point. The point is that's what they feel and that's what they will go with. Remember the US saying "We'll go it alone." Well now we have to.
 
Stinger said:
The left is getting what they want, now we all have to live with it.

Hey thanks to all the leftest here whose main goal was to see the Bush administration fail. Just imagine if the insurgents and the terrorist and would be terrorist had seen a firm resolve here and a united world? Just think if the left hadn't convinced the American people and the rest of the world that this was a lost cause, an immoral cause, an illegal war led by a President who lied about it all to enrich his buddies
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Just think where America would be if we had a President who actually tried to protect us by NOT invading Iraq and instead had continued to attack Al Qaeda in Afghanistan? I would bet that the MAJORITY, a STRONG MAJORITY of Americans and the World would be united to continue the fight against OBL and AQ.

Hell, chances are OBL would be dead by now had we stayed focus on the real enemy instead of chasing after an imaginary and more importantly non-threatening enemy!

Bush deserves the wrath he receives, as does anyone who supports his policies and the dismal failures they have produced.
 
By saying "finish the job", the option doesn't do any justice.

Did I vote for "finish the job" being a VERY liberal person? Yes, I did, but only because the cut and run method could lead to disaster in Iraq once we're gone.

On that same note however, we are never going to win this war under the current leadership we have now, simply because what they have been doing hasn't been working, and it's not looking like it's getting any better.

Does that mean I think a Democrat should be in office? Not necessarily. You find me a Republican that has a sound plan of action and I'll be damned sure to vote for him.

At the same time, I think trying to force a democratic government on a foreign nation is the worst thing possible for us to do. Let the Iraqi people decide what they want to do, and currently support for us over there is very low (hell, if 500,000 Americans were killed due to a war started by a foreign nation, you could be sure I'd be pissed at them too).

We need a solid timetable, to get our boys home, and patch up everything we've messed up over there. Finish the fight yes, but change the plan of action.
 
Duke said:
I've got a better idea: Let's do neither. Let's all sit around screaming sensationalist partisan buzz words until we're blue in the face.


Duke
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Wait you cant mention the word blue to a republican it makes them turn red in the face.:rofl
 
Navy Pride said:
Your comments please:
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I say finish the job.If you do not finish the job we will embolden all our enemies.By leaving before the job is finished we might as well be saying to every terrorist that we are really easy to defeat why not come over and bomb us into submission we retreat really easy.
 
Inuyasha said:
Proper perspective? IN Normandy US and allied troops came under the most formidable artillery barrage in the history of warfare. They faced cannon of navel gun size and everything on down not just mortars. They also faced an army that was organized with a war industry behind it that at least equaled and rivaled the allied forces. The soldiers on D Day were not facing a rag tag group of insurgents armed with captured or stolen small arms. I think your perspective is a bit skewered here.
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Wow I am surprised how you can trivilulize what the terroists in Iraq are doing to our troops.......I guess you live and learn........

The point I was trying to make is when it comes to the death toll it is far smaller then in any war we have ever been involved in.......
 
I just checked the totals again on the poll and we are gaining, its 10-9 in favor of cutting and running and all 10 are big Liberals........Imagine that......:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
I just checked the totals again on the poll and we are gaining, its 10-9 in favor of cutting and running and all 10 are big Liberals........Imagine that......:roll:
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How can you possibly know who voted either way? It's not a public poll. For example you have no clue if I voted for either or didn't vote at all because I think your poll is biased and stupid....
 
Navy Pride said:
Wow I am surprised how you can trivilulize what the terroists in Iraq are doing to our troops.......I guess you live and learn........

The point I was trying to make is when it comes to the death toll it is far smaller then in any war we have ever been involved in.......
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I might say in the same breath that you trivialize the troops that landed in Normandy by your comparison but why bother with that. You comparison is not really a valid one and that's what i am trying to point out. Look for a better way to express what you want to say. And also any comparison of Iraq with Viet Nam is off the mark as well. Comparisons in 99.9% of the cases id odious and your falls into that 99.9% IMO. Pulling that inference that i am "unpatriotic" just because I don't agree with what you said is old stuff and nobody is buying it anymore. The extreme right has misused that concept so badly that it no longer works at all..
 
Inuyasha said:
I might say in the same breath that you trivialize the troops that landed in Normandy by your comparison but why bother with that. You comparison is not really a valid one and that's what i am trying to point out. Look for a better way to express what you want to say. And also any comparison of Iraq with Viet Nam is off the mark as well. Comparisons in 99.9% of the cases id odious and your falls into that 99.9% IMO. Pulling that inference that i am "unpatriotic" just because I don't agree with what you said is old stuff and nobody is buying it anymore. The extreme right has misused that concept so badly that it no longer works at all..
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Nope I could never do that you see I had and uncle died there.....
 
26 X World Champs said:
How can you possibly know who voted either way? It's not a public poll. For example you have no clue if I voted for either or didn't vote at all because I think your poll is biased and stupid....
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Because no conservative would vote for a sissy move.
 
Navy Pride said:
The Democrats taking over the HOR and a nutcase like Nancy Pelosi being the majority leader...........

Is that clear enough for you?
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nutcase is such an articulate critique on someone’s character.
 
Navy Pride said:
Nope I could never do that you see I had and uncle died there.....
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Yes and you will notice in the very next breath I said i would not stoop to that. This is suppose to be a debate in which both sides present their case and not a confrontational event in which insults are exchanged.

A good example is conversing with Gunny. We may not agree on certain things but we are able to expose our views without resorting to insults or emotional tactics which prove nothing more than ones feelings. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you is on the other side. Or at least you post was moving in that direction. Such an idea is a fallacy. You talk about D Day. It's a well know fact that many of the generals had different ideas as to the operation. Some even opposing the operation. Does this mean they were German sympathizers? Of course not. The insults come from those who are extreme and really have no argument and are uninterested in any opinion but their own. Should we pay attention to such thinking? I am sure everyone would say "Absolutely not."
 
Navy Pride said:
I just checked the totals again on the poll and we are gaining, its 10-9 in favor of cutting and running and all 10 are big Liberals........Imagine that......:roll:
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I didn't vote in your stupid poll, so don't count me.

Stinger said:
The left is getting what they want, now we all have to live with it.
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No, we are all getting what Bush put us into. And all of us -3000 Americans a few thousand ragheads (I want to be sure to use language you'll understand) have to live with it.
 
26 X World Champs said:
How can you possibly know who voted either way? It's not a public poll. For example you have no clue if I voted for either or didn't vote at all because I think your poll is biased and stupid....
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Trust me Champs I know.....I have connections......;)
 
Morrow said:
nutcase is such an articulate critique on someone’s character.
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I am just and old country boy......I just calls em as I sees em........;)
 
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