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Should there be a maximum voting age limit?

What is a good maximum voting age?

  • 50-60

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 60-65

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • 65-70

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 70 or higher

    Votes: 7 87.5%

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Older people are far less likely to support basic rights such as the right for a woman to choose, the rights of LGBTQ couples to marry, or the right of people of color to peacefully protest the systematic racism in this country. Voters under 40 often tend to be far less bigoted, and believe in freedom for all citizens, not just white males.

Older voters are far more likely to support policies which will cause extreme harm to the environment, this country, and the world as a whole. Meanwhile, more educated younger voters often choose to implement policies which value the world we live in over the making of a quick buck or two, such as a ban on fracking, a ban on nuclear power, and a focus on renewable energy.

Older voters are far more likely to support imperialistic wars in Mideastern countries which pose no threat to the USA, as well as support the genocidal murder of Palestinian children by the illegal state of Israel. Younger voters understand the importance of peace in this world, and are far less likely to provoke a meaningless war overseas or support enemies of justice such as Israel, Turkey or Colombia.

In fact, an argument can be made that not having a maximum voting age kills 32,000 a year. Older white men make up the majority of gun owners in this country, and even as the rest of the country seeks to end meaningless violence such as the massacres in Orlando or Dallas, old white men who treat guns as more precious than the lives of innocent children are allowed to vote, and by voting, they stall any common sense gun reform that can be made in the usa. These geriatric republicans think that people need guns 'to defend" themselves, not knowing that having a gun makes it 50 times more likely for you to be shot, and that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who bought their guns legally.

I personally believe that a maximum voting age limit of 65 should be immediately implemented. This country is on the right path, and the older, less intelligent white men who hold this country back are slowly but surely dying out. However, progress needs to be made faster if the USA does not wish to be embroiled in new foreign wars, be known for its rampant homophobia and systematic racism, and lose 80 people a day to gun violence within the next ten or twenty years.
 

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what a stupid rant and silly stereotypes. Its bannerrhoid movement nonsense. Most violent crime is caused by people under 30. Most illegitimate births are from mothers under the age of 25.
 

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Older people are far less likely to support basic rights such as the right for a woman to choose, the rights of LGBTQ couples to marry, or the right of people of color to peacefully protest the systematic racism in this country. Voters under 40 often tend to be far less bigoted, and believe in freedom for all citizens, not just white males.

Older voters are far more likely to support policies which will cause extreme harm to the environment, this country, and the world as a whole. Meanwhile, more educated younger voters often choose to implement policies which value the world we live in over the making of a quick buck or two, such as a ban on fracking, a ban on nuclear power, and a focus on renewable energy.

Older voters are far more likely to support imperialistic wars in Mideastern countries which pose no threat to the USA, as well as support the genocidal murder of Palestinian children by the illegal state of Israel. Younger voters understand the importance of peace in this world, and are far less likely to provoke a meaningless war overseas or support enemies of justice such as Israel, Turkey or Colombia.

In fact, an argument can be made that not having a maximum voting age kills 32,000 a year. Older white men make up the majority of gun owners in this country, and even as the rest of the country seeks to end meaningless violence such as the massacres in Orlando or Dallas, old white men who treat guns as more precious than the lives of innocent children are allowed to vote, and by voting, they stall any common sense gun reform that can be made in the usa. These geriatric republicans think that people need guns 'to defend" themselves, not knowing that having a gun makes it 50 times more likely for you to be shot, and that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who bought their guns legally.

I personally believe that a maximum voting age limit of 65 should be immediately implemented. This country is on the right path, and the older, less intelligent white men who hold this country back are slowly but surely dying out. However, progress needs to be made faster if the USA does not wish to be embroiled in new foreign wars, be known for its rampant homophobia and systematic racism, and lose 80 people a day to gun violence within the next ten or twenty years.

65 is not old. You must be very young to have such a perspective.

I feel like I can sum up your post with this sentence... "I want to stop people from voting if they don't agree with me."

Honestly, even though older people tend to vote against my ideology in general... I trust their voting a lot better than your generation.
 

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Yes. The older generations benefit from the wisdom that can only come with experience, while the young are more prone to flights of fancy, immanentizing the eschaton, narcissism, irresponsibility, and ignorance.


Your argument is basically that people who disagree with you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It seems the young are also more likely to support tyranny in order to achieve political power.



We do need a way to filter out the uniformed and the unintelligent from controlling the worlds' hyperpower and making decisions for the rest of us. Age, however, is a poor indicator beyond general adulthood (though if we wanted to, I could see benefits from raising the voting age a bit). Instead we should require voters to pass the US Citizenship Exam in order to get their (free) Voter ID. That way, those who have no idea what they are doing, don't get to do it.
 

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Nothing to see here folks ....................
 

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I think that ignorant little twerps should be prevented from voting, driving, and should largely remain silent to prevent others from thinking even less of them than they already do.
 

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what a stupid rant and silly stereotypes. Its bannerrhoid movement nonsense. Most violent crime is caused by people under 30. Most illegitimate births are from mothers under the age of 25.

"illegitimate births" Ok dude, I haven't heard that phrase used since the 1800's. So what if the mother and father aren't married? No human being is "illegitimate"

And I don't believe the bull**** about violent crime being caused by people under 30. The vast majority of the 32,000 yearly deaths by gun violence is committed by legal gun owners. Most gun owners happen to be old white men. Common sense suggests that the majority of gun violence is committed by older white males.
 

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Yes. The older generations benefit from the wisdom that can only come with experience, while the young are more prone to flights of fancy, immanentizing the eschaton, narcissism, irresponsibility, and ignorance.


Your argument is basically that people who disagree with you shouldn't be allowed to vote. It seems the young are also more likely to support tyranny in order to achieve political power.



We do need a way to filter out the uniformed and the unintelligent from controlling the worlds' hyperpower and making decisions for the rest of us. Age, however, is a poor indicator beyond general adulthood (though if we wanted to, I could see benefits from raising the voting age a bit). Instead we should require voters to pass the US Citizenship Exam in order to get their (free) Voter ID. That way, those who have no idea what they are doing, don't get to do it.

The older generations "benefit" from the experience of growing up in a time of Jim Crow laws, homophobia, blatant misogyny, and extreme nationalism and a fear of anything declared "socialist" by Joe McCarthy.
 

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This gets really silly when you consider your proposed voting age limit along side these stats...

Sanders - 74 years old

Trump - 70 years old

Clinton - 68 years old.
 

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The older generations "benefit" from the experience of growing up in a time of Jim Crow laws, homophobia, blatant misogyny, and extreme nationalism and a fear of anything declared "socialist" by Joe McCarthy.

Oh. So they have more experience than you do with the real failings of other systems, and can be more trusted to identify such failings in any new systems proposed. Good to know. Another reason to trust their judgement more than those generations whose confidence exceeds their capability :)
 

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Older people are far less likely to support basic rights such as the right for a woman to choose, the rights of LGBTQ couples to marry, or the right of people of color to peacefully protest the systematic racism in this country. Voters under 40 often tend to be far less bigoted, and believe in freedom for all citizens, not just white males.

Older voters are far more likely to support policies which will cause extreme harm to the environment, this country, and the world as a whole. Meanwhile, more educated younger voters often choose to implement policies which value the world we live in over the making of a quick buck or two, such as a ban on fracking, a ban on nuclear power, and a focus on renewable energy.

Older voters are far more likely to support imperialistic wars in Mideastern countries which pose no threat to the USA, as well as support the genocidal murder of Palestinian children by the illegal state of Israel. Younger voters understand the importance of peace in this world, and are far less likely to provoke a meaningless war overseas or support enemies of justice such as Israel, Turkey or Colombia.

In fact, an argument can be made that not having a maximum voting age kills 32,000 a year. Older white men make up the majority of gun owners in this country, and even as the rest of the country seeks to end meaningless violence such as the massacres in Orlando or Dallas, old white men who treat guns as more precious than the lives of innocent children are allowed to vote, and by voting, they stall any common sense gun reform that can be made in the usa. These geriatric republicans think that people need guns 'to defend" themselves, not knowing that having a gun makes it 50 times more likely for you to be shot, and that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who bought their guns legally.

I personally believe that a maximum voting age limit of 65 should be immediately implemented. This country is on the right path, and the older, less intelligent white men who hold this country back are slowly but surely dying out. However, progress needs to be made faster if the USA does not wish to be embroiled in new foreign wars, be known for its rampant homophobia and systematic racism, and lose 80 people a day to gun violence within the next ten or twenty years.

120 is good.....

Increased in 5 year increments every ten years.
 

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This gets really silly when you consider your proposed voting age limit along side these stats...

Sanders - 74 years old

Trump - 70 years old

Clinton - 68 years old.

I understand that a maximum voting age may prevent some more enlightened individuals from expressing their beliefs, but I believe the net gain will be worth the smaller losses.

Also, Trump is a racist misogynistic warmongering loser, and Clinton is the lesser of two evils, but still far too deep in neoliberal, war hawk interventionist thought.
 

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"illegitimate births" Ok dude, I haven't heard that phrase used since the 1800's.

If you are that old, then perhaps you should reconsider the premise of this thread?

So what if the mother and father aren't married?

It's bad for the child, bad for the parents, and bad for the rest of us. That's "what".

And I don't believe the bull**** about violent crime being caused by people under 30.

:shrug: then you don't believe in math, which is another excellent reason why you shouldn't be allowed to vote. People who disregard math are far more vulnerable to believing all kinds of silly Free Candy promises, and make astonishingly poor long-term decisions. I've had to counsel hundreds of them.

The vast majority of the 32,000 yearly deaths by gun violence is committed by legal gun owners. Most gun owners happen to be old white men. Common sense suggests that the majority of gun violence is committed by older white males.

The Liberal Group American Progress Gives The Figures On How Your "Common Sense" Is Woefully Incorrect, Indicating That Perhaps You Should Instead Trust Those Who, Like TurtleDude, Have Had Their Common Sense Seasoned With Experience And Knowlege.
 

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"illegitimate births" Ok dude, I haven't heard that phrase used since the 1800's. So what if the mother and father aren't married? No human being is "illegitimate"

And I don't believe the bull**** about violent crime being caused by people under 30. The vast majority of the 32,000 yearly deaths by gun violence is committed by legal gun owners. Most gun owners happen to be old white men. Common sense suggests that the majority of gun violence is committed by older white males.
So, you're not for the age limit? :lamo
 

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120 is good.....

Increased in 5 year increments every ten years.

:shrug: like driving, require a regular test. People age and maintain/lose their capability at different rates, so let a test of that capability filter them out as necessary.
 

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"illegitimate births" Ok dude, I haven't heard that phrase used since the 1800's. So what if the mother and father aren't married? No human being is "illegitimate"

And I don't believe the bull**** about violent crime being caused by people under 30. The vast majority of the 32,000 yearly deaths by gun violence is committed by legal gun owners. Most gun owners happen to be old white men. Common sense suggests that the majority of gun violence is committed by older white males.

you are lying

1) 2/3s of those deaths are suicides. That is not "gun violence" or "gun crime"

2) 80% of all illegal homicides perpetrated by an armed attacker involve CRIMINALS who cannot legally own guns. so you are lying again

3) black males commit over half the murders in the USA-so you are lying again

you start here on this board with a ton of fail. An Auspicious start for sure
 

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Older people are far less likely to support basic rights such as the right for a woman to choose, the rights of LGBTQ couples to marry, or the right of people of color to peacefully protest the systematic racism in this country. Voters under 40 often tend to be far less bigoted, and believe in freedom for all citizens, not just white males.

Older voters are far more likely to support policies which will cause extreme harm to the environment, this country, and the world as a whole. Meanwhile, more educated younger voters often choose to implement policies which value the world we live in over the making of a quick buck or two, such as a ban on fracking, a ban on nuclear power, and a focus on renewable energy.

Older voters are far more likely to support imperialistic wars in Mideastern countries which pose no threat to the USA, as well as support the genocidal murder of Palestinian children by the illegal state of Israel. Younger voters understand the importance of peace in this world, and are far less likely to provoke a meaningless war overseas or support enemies of justice such as Israel, Turkey or Colombia.

In fact, an argument can be made that not having a maximum voting age kills 32,000 a year. Older white men make up the majority of gun owners in this country, and even as the rest of the country seeks to end meaningless violence such as the massacres in Orlando or Dallas, old white men who treat guns as more precious than the lives of innocent children are allowed to vote, and by voting, they stall any common sense gun reform that can be made in the usa. These geriatric republicans think that people need guns 'to defend" themselves, not knowing that having a gun makes it 50 times more likely for you to be shot, and that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who bought their guns legally.

I personally believe that a maximum voting age limit of 65 should be immediately implemented. This country is on the right path, and the older, less intelligent white men who hold this country back are slowly but surely dying out. However, progress needs to be made faster if the USA does not wish to be embroiled in new foreign wars, be known for its rampant homophobia and systematic racism, and lose 80 people a day to gun violence within the next ten or twenty years.
So, basically, you want to artificially socially engineer society to your liking by barring what you see as less desirable demographics from voting.

No.
 

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This gets really silly when you consider your proposed voting age limit along side these stats...

Sanders - 74 years old

Trump - 70 years old

Clinton - 68 years old.

Bader-Ginsburg - 83
 

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TurtleDude said:
what a stupid rant and silly stereotypes. Its bannerrhoid movement nonsense. Most violent crime is caused by people under 30. Most illegitimate births are from mothers under the age of 25.
"illegitimate births" Ok dude, I haven't heard that phrase used since the 1800's. So what if the mother and father aren't married? No human being is "illegitimate"

And I don't believe the bull**** about violent crime being caused by people under 30. The vast majority of the 32,000 yearly deaths by gun violence is committed by legal gun owners. Most gun owners happen to be old white men. Common sense suggests that the majority of gun violence is committed by older white males.

In your welcome thread, you say you went to a nationally rated college. That's acceptably impressive - a good education is generally a good sign of intelligence.


Turtle, can you match the educational experience of someone who went to a nationally rated college?
 

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you are lying

1) 2/3s of those deaths are suicides. That is not "gun violence" or "gun crime"

2) 80% of all illegal homicides perpetrated by an armed attacker involve CRIMINALS who cannot legally own guns. so you are lying again

3) black males commit over half the murders in the USA-so you are lying again

you start here on this board with a ton of fail. An Auspicious start for sure

Well, yeah, but...

1. You use words that are, like, really old, and

2. He, like, went to college, and stuff. He knows things.
 

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In your welcome thread, you say you went to a nationally rated college. That's acceptably impressive - a good education is generally a good sign of intelligence.


Turtle, can you match the educational experience of someone who went to a nationally rated college?

almost all colleges are Nationally rated. some good, some average, some bad. Mine does pretty well.
 

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Well, yeah, but...

1. You use words that are, like, really old, and

2. He, like, went to college, and stuff. He knows things.

terrified I am!
 

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There is a major difference between the regressive, less educated, and less tolerant older generations, and the forward thinking, well informed, and socially tolerant younger generations in the United States.

Older people are far less likely to support basic rights such as the right for a woman to choose, the rights of LGBTQ couples to marry, or the right of people of color to peacefully protest the systematic racism in this country. Voters under 40 often tend to be far less bigoted, and believe in freedom for all citizens, not just white males.

Older voters are far more likely to support policies which will cause extreme harm to the environment, this country, and the world as a whole. Meanwhile, more educated younger voters often choose to implement policies which value the world we live in over the making of a quick buck or two, such as a ban on fracking, a ban on nuclear power, and a focus on renewable energy.

Older voters are far more likely to support imperialistic wars in Mideastern countries which pose no threat to the USA, as well as support the genocidal murder of Palestinian children by the illegal state of Israel. Younger voters understand the importance of peace in this world, and are far less likely to provoke a meaningless war overseas or support enemies of justice such as Israel, Turkey or Colombia.

In fact, an argument can be made that not having a maximum voting age kills 32,000 a year. Older white men make up the majority of gun owners in this country, and even as the rest of the country seeks to end meaningless violence such as the massacres in Orlando or Dallas, old white men who treat guns as more precious than the lives of innocent children are allowed to vote, and by voting, they stall any common sense gun reform that can be made in the usa. These geriatric republicans think that people need guns 'to defend" themselves, not knowing that having a gun makes it 50 times more likely for you to be shot, and that the vast majority of gun violence is committed by people who bought their guns legally.

I personally believe that a maximum voting age limit of 65 should be immediately implemented. This country is on the right path, and the older, less intelligent white men who hold this country back are slowly but surely dying out. However, progress needs to be made faster if the USA does not wish to be embroiled in new foreign wars, be known for its rampant homophobia and systematic racism, and lose 80 people a day to gun violence within the next ten or twenty years.

So what you're basically saying here is that you want to prevent individuals that disagree with you from having the ability to vote.

Nobody should be prevented from voting or be restricted from it just because they don't agree with you politically. That would defeat the point of living in a democracy if some are unable to exercise their right to vote.
 
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