Should the US withdraw from Afghanistan?

[JANFU]

Should the US withdraw from Afghanistan?
2 opposing arguments. I suggest reading both.
It's Time To Make Afghanistan Someone Else's Problem - Defense One

America Needs to Stay in Afghanistan - Defense One

Yes

No

Pull out 2019

Pull out in 2018

Other- Pls explain

 

[cuban smokes]

Yes = not the job of the US to be the world's police .............

 

[justabubba]

before i answer your question, please tell us what you want to be the future of afghanistan
only then would i be able to respond to your inquiry with a yes/no reply

 

[Rexedgar]

To me Afghanistan is like a sand castle built at the beach. You can be as detailed and ornate as you care to be, but when the tide comes in, as it always does, well you know. Almost since WW2 the US has attempted to intervene in other countries affairs militarily. South Korea was the first and maybe only success and that one is still officially a war. We could not get the Vietnamese to fight successfully for themselves. More recently in Iraq, same outcome. When the Empire was still a going concern, they could not tame Afghanistan. A hundred years later the USSR gave it a go and went home after nine/ten years. There is an excellent book by James Michener about the country. "Caravans" iirc. We have left untold blood, limbs and treasure in the country and we are still half-heartedly at it. I say OUT.

 

[Captain Adverse]

We never should have gone in at all.

A simple kill order executed eventually by special ops personnel would have done the same without costing us a war and years of military occupation.

Yeah, I know. We're supposed to be the "good guys" and assassination is worse than military intervention. :roll:

So I think we should pull out entirely from the Middle East for good and all. Honor mutual defense treaties when necessary, but stop getting involved in "police actions."

Either go in to kick ass and take names, then exit gracefully...or don't bother at all.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

We never should've gone there in the first place and we shouldn't be there now, yes we should pull out. Before I went to Afghanistan to serve as an infantryman I was idealistic and believed we were defending America by being there and keeping the terrorists at bay. After 15 months of living there, interacting with the locals and fighting insurgents, I realized that we're fighting illiterate mountain locals that just saw us as foreign invaders they wanted off their land. Some villages we went in to thought we were Russians.

9/11 was committed by a large group of Saudis, yet Saudi Arabia is our BFF despite being the #1 exporter of violent islamic extremism. It's time to get out and stop wasting American lives and taxpayer funds for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Rexedgar]

We never should have gone in at all.

A simple kill order executed eventually by special ops personnel would have done the same without costing us a war and years of military occupation.

Yeah, I know. We're supposed to be the "good guys" and assassination is worse then military intervention. :roll:

So I think we should pull out entirely from the Middle East for good and all. Honor mutual defense treaties when necessary, but stop getting involved in "police actions."

Either go in to kick ass and take names, then exit gracefully...or don't bother at all.

I don't find myself agreeing with many of your posts, but here we have no issue. I only quibble with the "assassination" thing being worse than military intervention. We have done it before and no one should ever know. We the people have not stood together to end these latest wars as "we" did re: Vietnam. We seem to be ok with the dribble of deaths and casualties because "we" have no skin in the game. Bring back compulsory military service and see how quickly it stops!

 

[joG]

Should the US withdraw from Afghanistan?
2 opposing arguments. I suggest reading both.
It's Time To Make Afghanistan Someone Else's Problem - Defense One

America Needs to Stay in Afghanistan - Defense One

Yes

No

Pull out 2019

Pull out in 2018

Other- Pls explain

Get the UN to take responsibility for protecting the population and move out.

 

[KevinKohler]

Never should have. Shouldn't be there now.


Check it, we've got quit the little storm brewing over statues, Trump, etc.

Which country do you want to come in and help us sort it out?

 

[Rexedgar]

Never should have. Shouldn't be there now.


Check it, we've got quit the little storm brewing over statues, Trump, etc.

Which country do you want to come in and help us sort it out?

Canada! :mrgreen:

 

[DaveFagan]

Yes, we should pull out.
I've read the posts and everyone ignores the Capitalist/Cprporate profits generated by war. That's who are the cheerleaders to get them going and also the ones that keep them going. Call them war profiteers and ger their influence out of government. Follow the money. Prosecute where possible. The MSM needs to quit glorifying war. Corporate is their sugar daddy with all those advertising accounts. Warmongers all.!
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[Captain Adverse]

I don't find myself agreeing with many of your posts, but here we have no issue. I only quibble with the "assassination" thing being worse than military intervention. We have done it before and no one should ever know. We the people have not stood together to end these latest wars as "we" did re: Vietnam. We seem to be ok with the dribble of deaths and casualties because "we" have no skin in the game. Bring back compulsory military service and see how quickly it stops!

When George Jr. pushed for both the "Patriot Act," and war with Iraq and Afghanistan, I actively opposed all of this back then.

I grew up during the Vietnam War, and the fact we were not there to "win" but just to waste lives trying to "defend" the South affected me permanently.

Only go in when we have clear goals and absolutely valid justifications, or not at all. Then if we do go in; go in to win and commit to rebuilding the peace.

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, we should pull out.
I've read the posts and everyone ignores the Capitalist/Cprporate profits generated by war. That's who are the cheerleaders to get them going and also the ones that keep them going. Call them war profiteers and ger their influence out of government. Follow the money. Prosecute where possible. The MSM needs to quit glorifying war. Corporate is their sugar daddy with all those advertising accounts. Warmongers all.!
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We are there for at least 50 years. We may never leave

 

[Fletch]

Should the US withdraw from Afghanistan?
2 opposing arguments. I suggest reading both.
It's Time To Make Afghanistan Someone Else's Problem - Defense One

America Needs to Stay in Afghanistan - Defense One

Yes

No

Pull out 2019

Pull out in 2018

Other- Pls explain

Yes, we should have gone in, but that was 16 years ago. If we haven't been able to erect a military force to secure that country by now, we never will. I feel bad for the Afghans because I know what will happen to them when we leave, but whatever we have been doing hasn't worked. Might be time to move on.

 

[Rexedgar]

Yes, we should pull out.
I've read the posts and everyone ignores the Capitalist/Cprporate profits generated by war. That's who are the cheerleaders to get them going and also the ones that keep them going. Call them war profiteers and ger their influence out of government. Follow the money. Prosecute where possible. The MSM needs to quit glorifying war. Corporate is their sugar daddy with all those advertising accounts. Warmongers all.!
/

There is too much money in everything American! It's like being in a stadium for a sporting match and hoping someone will sit the **** down so you can! Wishful thinking................

 

[Perotista]

Should the US withdraw from Afghanistan?
2 opposing arguments. I suggest reading both.
It's Time To Make Afghanistan Someone Else's Problem - Defense One

America Needs to Stay in Afghanistan - Defense One

Yes

No

Pull out 2019

Pull out in 2018

Other- Pls explain

Our biggest mistake in Afghanistan was nation building. Afghanistan was never a nation in the sense we know of what a nation is. It was a country ruled over by 18 tribes with each tribe ruling its own little section of Afghanistan. The Taliban, made up of the four tribes, the two largest and two more decided to try conquer and rule over all 18 tribes and their tribal homelands. So we basically tried to build a nation where there in reality was none before.

If we pull out, democracy dies in Afghanistan. So what? Most of the tribes didn't want Democracy to begin with. All they wanted was to be ruled by their tribal elders and clergy. The Taliban, being the strongest would plunge Afghanistan into another war of tribes. Maybe even succeed this time in conquering the other tribes. Again, so what? UBL is dead.

I don't think we, the United States will ever be successful in forcing democracy on the Afghni. Might as well recognize that fact and bring the boys home.

 

[Hawkeye10]

As Putin pointed out there is no way for America to deal with Afghanistan on our own, even with NATO assistance and as we all know the rest of NATO has over the years not been very interested in helping....either Team China needs to take over or else we need to form some type of partnership on this issue. This would mean working with Putin, a prospect most of the incompetent DC ELITE are allergic to.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Canada! :mrgreen:

Oh, you mean the country that ciminalized "hate speech,"

Hate speech laws in Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada

and recently expanded this to include speech considered offensive to "gender expression and identity:"

Bill C-16...The bill adds gender expression and identity as a protected ground to the Canadian Human Rights Act, and also to the Criminal Code provisions dealing with hate propaganda, incitement to genocide, and aggravating factors in sentencing...became law upon receiving Royal Assent on June 19, 2017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code

THAT Canada, where they don't understand our First Amendment protections yet you'd want them to arbitrate our international policy? :roll:

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Canada! :mrgreen:

We can work it out over drinking some beer and eating some Canadian back bacon. I am sure the Afghanis will be much more open to negotiation after a few beer and belly full of bacon

 

[Rexedgar]

We can work it out over drinking some beer and eating some Canadian back bacon. I am sure the Afghanis will be much more open to negotiation after a few beer and belly full of bacon

Patton's Pork!

 

[Nap]

We are there for at least 50 years. We may never leave

This, every single President we have had has campaigned on less military intervention and yet the policy never changes. The vast majority of American people from both sides clearly want the government out of all this pointless military action. If there was ever a unifying policy we could all get behind it is this.

 

[vegas giants]

This, every single President we have had has campaigned on less military intervention and yet the policy never changes. The vast majority of American people from both sides clearly want the government out of all this pointless military action. If there was ever a unifying policy we could all get behind it is this.

I couldn't agree more. No one can stop the military industrial complex. No one.

 

[chuckiechan]

This, every single President we have had has campaigned on less military intervention and yet the policy never changes. The vast majority of American people from both sides clearly want the government out of all this pointless military action. If there was ever a unifying policy we could all get behind it is this.

It is in a strategic location as it allows the USA to protect Pakistan, which offers access to the Arabian sea and the Gulf, it's also a route into Iran, and a natural pathway for pipelines of oil and gas. If we aren't there someone else will be, so it is in the strategic interest of the USA to control it should Pakistan fold and it's nuclear weapons get captured by Islamists.

The US presents there helps to stabilize the entire region.

 

[JANFU]

Get the UN to take responsibility for protecting the population and move out.

Ain't happening

 

[vegas giants]

This, every single President we have had has campaigned on less military intervention and yet the policy never changes. The vast majority of American people from both sides clearly want the government out of all this pointless military action. If there was ever a unifying policy we could all get behind it is this.

Obama was able to try to slow it but even he could not stop it