Should the U.S. have open borders?

[T25]

We should welcome all

And make poor and middle-class Americans pay for everything, right?

 

[T25]

The constitution requires it. Amend it if you don’t like it.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to under your position.

If a suspected terrorist from Afghanistan is denied entry, do you believe that he has the right to nevertheless enter the U.S. in order to argue his case before a judge?

 

[rahl]

Neither health care nor education are mentioned as constitutional rights per se.

Plyler v doe settled the education part. Reagan implemented the healthcare part. Congress could change that if they wanted to though.

Its the 14th that requires if we provide them statutorily to some, we must provide equally. ,

No. If Congress repealed Reagan’s EMTALA, then ER’s could require proof of citizenship and ability to pay before treating.

 

[T25]

How? Nordic myth or fishing technique?

You're the troll. Obviously many here support open borders and so it is a worthy discussion.

 

[rahl]

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to under your position.

It isn’t my position. It’s constitutional law.

If a suspected terrorist from Afghanistan is denied entry, do you believe that he has the right to nevertheless enter the U.S. in order to argue his case before a judge?

Nobody who isn’t a citizen has the right to enter the US. Any non citizen can be turned away at point of entry for any reason. BUT, if they make it to US soil, the constitution requires they have a hearing before being removed.

 

[Cosmo]

Both America and the people we receive would be better if we had open borders. And I consider the vast majority of immigrants to be working class fellows.

We long ago figured out borders were nonsense, that is why we have open borders between the 50 states.

Europe also figured this out, and that is why they have the Eurozone.

The only real thing stopping open borders is really just racism.

We have free travel between states because we generally trust the culture and type of people who live there, which are guided by the federal government which has jurisdiction there. It's the same in Eurozone and why not every country is in it, even countries that are very white:


So no, it's not racism.

 

[btthegreat]

Plyler v doe settled the education part. Reagan implemented the healthcare part. Congress could change that if they wanted to though.

No. If Congress repealed Reagan’s EMTALA, then ER’s could require proof of citizenship and ability to pay before treating.

The summary I read of plyler is confusing. Either Congress can refuse to fund education or it cannot because education is a fundamental right. I am not suggesting it can treat immigrants differently, I am suggesting it can decide treat everyone else, like it wanted to treat immigrants.

 

[rahl]

The summary I read of plyler is confusing. Either Congress can refuse to fund education or it cannot because education is a fundamental right. I am not suggesting it can treat immigrants differently, I am suggesting it can decide treat everyone else, like it wanted to treat immigrants.

It’s basically all or none. If you fund education, you have to fund it regardless of immigration status. If you choose to not fund education at all, that’s different.

 

[Phys251]

Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?

No, and we haven't had open borders in decades.

 

[aociswundumho]

Both America and the people we receive would be better if we had open borders. And I consider the vast majority of immigrants to be working class fellows.

We long ago figured out borders were nonsense, that is why we have open borders between the 50 states.

Europe also figured this out, and that is why they have the Eurozone.

The only real thing stopping open borders is really just racism.

Nice post, but it's not racism, it's statism that's the problem. Statism is a religion (or very similar to one), and it's not going away anytime soon. The working man has no country, yet Marxists states have very, very secure borders. They treat emigration like treason and immigration like infiltration.

 

[T25]

No, and we haven't had open borders in decades.

We had the closest thing to open borders under the most recent Obama, er, Biden Administration.

 

[btthegreat]

Sometimes its just stupid policy to treat immigrants differently. Not in our collective interest to be refusing to test and treat communicable diseases based on immigration status. Not in our interest for fire departments or local police to refuse to respond based on immigration status.

 

[StillBallin75]

Nice post, but it's not racism, it's statism that's the problem. Statism is a religion (or very similar to one), and it's not going away anytime soon. The working man has no country, yet Marxists states have very, very secure borders. They treat emigration like treason and immigration like infiltration.

"Statism" is tied into nationalism which is tied into racism. American nationalism essentially boils down to white nationalism and xenophobic bigotry. I know you love blaming the government for everything, but they're not separate issues and the government does not exist in a vacuum. "Statist" restrictions on immigration are rooted in racism, especially in the American context, which the capitalist class inflames as part of its divide and conquer class warfare. The evidence for this is that the country for the first hundred years of existence essentially had open borders, until the introduction of the obviously racist Chinese exclusion acts.

Also, true Marxism is stateless, and true working class solidarity is international.

The idea of paying my taxes to the government to prevent other poor people from crossing an arbitrary, government-drawn line is the height of absurdity.

 

[aociswundumho]

Also, true Marxism is stateless, and true working class solidarity is international.

Yes, it turns stateless. The power-hungry monsters who murdered, tortured, and enslaved their way to the top, are one day going to say, "Ok, we've had enough of this government stuff. We hereby decree this country stateless."

 

[Phys251]

We had the closest thing to open borders under the most recent Obama, er, Biden Administration.

No we didn't. Stop lying.

 

[spud_meister]

Yes, workers should be allowed to cross any border that capital is allowed to cross. It's anti-free market to prevent workers from competing

 

[Felis Leo]

Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?

Without good cause, yes.

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?

Yes, as much so as American citizens. They will have to seek gainful employment and contribute if they want anything more than a subsistence level existence.

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?

Yes. If there is clear and convincing evidence that the immigrant in question is (1) an agent of a hostile foreign power (2) they are philosophically/ideologically against democracy and rule of law as a concept, (3) they have have a felony criminal record, or (4) a clear intent to commit felonies on American soil.

 

[Bodi]

Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?

Of course... in fact, I will just give my house and land and property to illegal immigrants if it helps them.



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[Bodi]

Both America and the people we receive would be better if we had open borders. And I consider the vast majority of immigrants to be working class fellows.

We long ago figured out borders were nonsense, that is why we have open borders between the 50 states.

Europe also figured this out, and that is why they have the Eurozone.

The only real thing stopping open borders is really just racism.

That is for economics and shared monetary system... not so that millions of people can just show up and demand shit. For ****s Sake.



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[Bodi]

Yes, workers should be allowed to cross any border that capital is allowed to cross.

They are already allowed to do this.. They are called Permits and Visas.

It's anti-free market to prevent workers from competing

Incorrect.

 

[Felis Leo]

Of course... in fact, I will just give my house and land and property to illegal immigrants if it helps them.



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If we had an open immigration system, they would not be “illegal” immigrants.

 

[Individual]

Should American citizens have any say in who gets to come and what they're entitled to receive?

Isn't that why we elect politicians, to speak for us?

 

[T25]

Not in our collective interest to be refusing to test and treat communicable diseases based on immigration status.

Talk about a strawman!

 

[T25]

No we didn't. Stop lying.

We most certainly did. It's a big reason why you lost last November.

 

[Bodi]

If we had an open immigration system, they would not be “illegal” immigrants.

Undocumented Workers were granted lower interest rate home loans than are many Americans... home loans that many Americans do not even qualify for. That is all good though. Many Americans are willing to give everything away in order to improve illegal immigrants lives, even at the cost of their own.