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Should the U.S. have open borders?

Bodi said:
Undocumented Workers were granted lower interest rate home loans than are many Americans... home loans that many Americans do not even qualify for. That is all good though. Many Americans are willing to give everything away in order to improve illegal immigrants lives, even at the cost of their own.
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Really? Exclusive to illegal immigrants? Do you have a link? I cannot find anything regarding any such program. Quite frankly it sounds like made-up/twisted half-truth far-right propaganda, Bodi.

But I will tell you, even if that was the case and such a program existed for illegal immigrants, that does not engender any resentment towards illegal immigrants. That would just make me want to make the program available to everyone.
 
j brown's body said:
True libertarians support it.
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Nothing is stupider than a Libertarian.
I know, out of college i was one.

Then as i aged i learned how the world really worked and how ridiculous being a
Libertarian was.
 
rickc said:
Well this post is just ludicrous. Who do you believe supports this?
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Virtually all the leftist here spreading the BIG LIE® about due process obviously do.
rickc said:
If right wing propaganda has convinced you this is the democrats position as usual its all lies. Of course that is what got trump elected.
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Obviously not - the love affair of deMS-13 and criminal aliens is demonstrated on this farthest left of all boards each day.
 
noonereal said:
Nothing is stupider than a Libertarian.
I know, out of college i was one.

Then as i aged i learned how the world really worked and how ridiculous being a
Libertarian was.
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You took Joseph Stalin as your personal lord and savior?
 
T25 said:
Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?
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Open borders ain't happening.

In fact, we are looking at having closed borders.

That's a bad idea.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
That's a lie.

No one has touched medicare.



More demagoguery from the fascist left.

The Stalinists lie to try and create fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It is FUD.
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Are Stalinists in the room with you?

I’ve noticed you post about them quite frequently.,,
 
noonereal said:
Nothing is stupider than a Libertarian.
I know, out of college i was one.

Then as i aged i learned how the world really worked and how ridiculous being a
Libertarian was.
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Like actual Marxism, Libertarianism has potential as an operating system in very small groups.

Marxism is ideal on a kibbutz when everyone divides work equally and every man is polled on every decision to make policy. The profits of their endeavors divided equally among them.

It immediate stops working when the community gets large enough that representatives become required rather everyone gets polled on every decision. Those chosen to represent immediately become a privileged class and *POOF* no more Marxism.

Libertarianism works until rights start to collide. Who swinging their fist came in contact with white nose? Whose right takes precedence? Obviously, the more people the greater the chance that “rights” and “free will” collide.

Then you need government, a means to decide disputes. Policing to enforce order and, wait for it… LAWS. *POOF* no more Libertarianism.
 
T25 said:
Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?
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You are asking questions that are non-nonsensical and very provocative. You're begging the question.
How about if I ask questions like "Is it alright for husbands to beat their wives?".
"Is it OK for me to steal from a store because my family is hungry?".
"Is it OK for me, a black teenager, to stab some white kid in the heart because he asked me to leave a certain area on a ball field?".

You're asking questions which beg the question.

In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion (Latin: petītiō principiī) is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion. Historically, begging the question refers to a fault in a dialectical argument in which the speaker assumes some premise that has not been demonstrated to be true. In modern usage, it has come to refer to an argument in which the premises assume the conclusion without supporting it. This makes it an example of circular reasoning.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Virtually all the leftist here spreading the BIG LIE® about due process obviously do.


Obviously not - the love affair of deMS-13 and criminal aliens is demonstrated on this farthest left of all boards each day.
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What big lie might that be. But before you tell us can you explain what due process actually is?
 
WilHaftaWaite said:
when Trump won, America lost.

When Biden won, America lost.

if Harris had won. America would have lost.

so please don't throw Trumps slogans in my face.

it just shows how low your IQ has dropped since he entered the scene.
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Weird how you’d know anything about me if you just joined this site for the first time on Wednesday….
 
T25 said:
Yea, the Biden Administration and tens of millions of Democrats.
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That's an outright lie.

The only party that calls for open borders is the liberatarian party.

Don't you realize that the lies destroy your credibility.
 
T25 said:
Should anyone and everyone be permitted to emigrate to the U.S.?
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No, but we should have a lot more immigration than we currently do. In an orderly manner, selecting for merit first, immediate family ties second, and humanitarian need third.

Should they receive housing, medical care, food, education, and legal representation all paid for by current U.S. residents?
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People who are here legally should have access to health insurance, education for their kids, and legal representation paid for by taxpayers (which is a group that includes themselves).

They should not have access to US taxpayer-funded food or higher education until they become citizens, IMO.

No one should have taxpayer-funded housing IMO, if we're talking about Section 8, including US citizens. It's a terrible program that doesn't work and encourages urban blight. On the other hand, if "housing" includes things like homeless shelters, mental health and rehab centers, and assisted living care, then I'm fine with including immigrants. Depending on the nature and duration of their stay, it might jeopardize their chances of staying here long-term though, and that's fine too.

Should there be any reasons to disqualify a potential immigrant?
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Of course, and not just criminal activity. The reality is that even under my desired expansive immigration regime (i.e. grant green cards equal to 1% of our population per year, so 3.3M) we would still be saying no to hundreds of millions of people who would like to live here. There's an upper limit to how many people we can realistically take, in terms of logistics, infrastructure, cultural assimilation, and political will. And that upper limit is far less than the number of people who would like to live here.
 
BirdinHand said:
Weird how you’d know anything about me if you just joined this site for the first time on Wednesday….
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I don't know anything about you but I like your face.
I reminds of that Slovenian woman who won the lottery by marrying The Orange Wonder.
 
Gaius46 said:
What big lie might that be. But before you tell us can you explain what due process actually is?
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LOL

Another drone trying to propagate the BIG LIE®

Due process is following the processes proscribed by law. In the case of illegal aliens, the law proscribes deportation.

"Due Process" does not mean 20 million illegals that Biden imported collapsing our judicial system - though that is the plot of the deMS-13.
 
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