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I keep looking at the calendar expecting it to say April 1st and someone to shout "April Fools." I cannot believe anyone would favor denying the right to vote to a person just because of poverty. It's un-American.
There's a lot of people in the country who would start building the hell out of debtor's prisons. Now that would help the government counterfeit more money to run all of the new prisons.
My intention was and admittedly I made the choices wrong..and left out the obvious that everyone should be allowed to vote.
By poor I meant those that do not pay taxs because they earn below average wage.
the parasite class and their enablers feel that way...
all poor people are parasites?
wow. why soo much hatred?
No, I don't think anyone here meant to suggest that the poor are parasites, nor that parasites are necessarily poor.
I would say that a “parasite” in this context is anyone who takes more from society than he contributes in return. Someone who collects welfare, making no attempt to find an honest job, would certainly qualify. ....
While I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, the gist I get from some in this thread is that Madoff would be ok since he paid taxes.No, I don't think anyone here meant to suggest that the poor are parasites, nor that parasites are necessarily poor.
I would say that a “parasite” in this context is anyone who takes more from society than he contributes in return. Someone who collects welfare, making no attempt to find an honest job, would certainly qualify. So would someone like Bernie Madoff, who runs a massive Ponzi scheme that steals millions of dollars from many people who get nothing in return. So would someone who “works” at a government job, where he collects a paycheck, but spends all his day playing on the Internet instead of getting any productive work done.
There are all sorts of parasites among humanity, achieving all sorts of different levels of wealth or poverty.
You should have added a third option: "Everyone should be allowed to vote."
I am not getting this whole property ownership thing/ talk.. So just cause you do not own something you should not be allowed to vote?
Real estate is the last thing folks need to be investing in right now:doh
I'm entirely fine saying the only people who can vote are those who pay income taxes. If you're not going to pay for government, you ought to have no say over it.
I'm entirely fine saying the only people who can vote are those who pay income taxes. If you're not going to pay for government, you ought to have no say over it.
all Americans pay for govt.
sales taxes pay for govt.
sales tax paid with money from a welfare check given to you by the govt doesn't count.
We don't get direct votes on the vast majority of these issues*, so the presumption reduces the point or concept to a mere talking point, which is nothing less than clouding the discussion. It's kind of like saying, "In our fantasy world, where this doesn't really exist, it should be done this way.". Seriously, what does that add to the discussion?
Can we apply it to the real world? How does this work when these decisions are made by elected representatives, and not by direct votes on the issues?
*- Barring some issues on ballot initiatives, but those only happen in some states and never at the federal level.
Of course you do. It's your saving grace.
sure. now will you agree that those on welfare pay no taxes?what about folks who are lower-class but make too much to be on welfare?
don't they pay sales-tax?
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my point did not need such clarification
put it this way: if you can be drafted, you should have the right to vote..
This here and the fact everyone pays taxes in any case.
The premise of the poll is ridiculous.
all Americans pay for govt.
sales taxes pay for govt.
what you are suggesting is full-on class-warfare, one that the rich would lose.
Pretty much all sales tax is local. So they only vote in local elections? I know, let's have a national sales tax.
Nope, but it does include the guy who has never worked and just collects a government check. I love how you keep trying to redirect the intention.
Can you provide a link to these government checks for able bodied males?
As far as I know if they don't have kids they don't get squat. Here in CA, afaik, they can get General Relief once every couple years, a couple hundred in cash and food stamps. No longterm checks that I am aware of.
all Americans pay for govt.
sales taxes pay for govt.
what you are suggesting is full-on class-warfare, one that the rich would lose.
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