Should the Military Build the WALL?

[phattonez]

Except there isn't really any evidence that it even falls under "better".

Laughable.

 

[Tigerace117]

Say we found a drug that cured 99% of cancers. Your response would be "even this can't cure everyone of cancer." Right.

A drug which caused about, say, 35% of cancers to rapidly mutate, making treating ineffective and eventually killing the host, would not be approved for use. A drug which caused 5% of cancers to do that wouldn't be approved. Your own bad analogy works against you.

 

[Tigerace117]

Laughable.

Yes, it is quite laughable because your own graph even shows that your beloved walls were unable to stop people coming or leaving, even when it slowed them down---and given how Hungary has rapidly descended back into the bad old days, there aren't a whole lot of people who likely want to go there anymore to begin with.

 

[Lursa]

Why isnt Mexico paying for it? That was the promise.

 

[Vetplus40]

Why isnt Mexico paying for it? That was the promise.

Because Trump is an habitual liar and his base is terminally stupid.

 

[Vetplus40]

Military folks say that the wall is about 101 on their top 100 lists of priorities.
Military folks do not consider the wall to be a matter of national security.

 

[Tangmo]

Laughable.

The graphs are a failure.

Mexicans and all Latin Americans are not West Germans under the totalitarian rule of Soviet Russia. Neither is there a cold war.

Potus ordering the armed forces of the United States to build a wall against Mexico and all our neighbors in the Americas is one of the most serious national security errors a Potus could make. Moreover, Beijing and Moscow are already exploiting the hostility of certain Americans toward Mexico and our neighbors south of Mexico. The U.S. military building a wall at Mexico on the orders of Potus does irreparable harm to the national security of the United States. While the Monroe Doctrine has long since been moot, the new Trump doctrine of turning USA neighbors against the United States opens the hemisphere to the further nefarious designs of the foreign strategic competitors of USA. Trump is metastasizing Latin America into a malignancy against the USA national security.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

No, Trump promised that Mexico would pay for it so let them build it. No wall until they agree to do so.

I agree. We need to tax all the people in this country that are not US Citizens or legal immigrants. A new W-4 form say a W-4V should be required along with a work Visa. Instead of FICA which they are not and should not be entitled to have a tax to secure our border. This way the people working in this country will pay for background checks, border security, and enough people to enforce our laws. Why should the American citizens pay for illegals to steal our jobs and drive down wages.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Military folks say that the wall is about 101 on their top 100 lists of priorities.
Military folks do not consider the wall to be a matter of national security.

It would be nice if our military did secure our borders. Unfortunately they are too busy securing other countries borders. That is why we 10's of millions of people in this country illegally.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The graphs are a failure.

Mexicans and all Latin Americans are not West Germans under the totalitarian rule of Soviet Russia. Neither is there a cold war.

Potus ordering the armed forces of the United States to build a wall against Mexico and all our neighbors in the Americas is one of the most serious national security errors a Potus could make. Moreover, Beijing and Moscow are already exploiting the hostility of certain Americans toward Mexico and our neighbors south of Mexico. The U.S. military building a wall at Mexico on the orders of Potus does irreparable harm to the national security of the United States. While the Monroe Doctrine has long since been moot, the new Trump doctrine of turning USA neighbors against the United States opens the hemisphere to the further nefarious designs of the foreign strategic competitors of USA. Trump is metastasizing Latin America into a malignancy against the USA national security.

So requiring people to enter our country legally is wrong. Does it get any more stupid than this.
So the American people deciding who is allowed in our country is wrong. WOW! just WOW!
People with no respect for our laws should be rewarded for sneaking into our country. So I guess it does get more stupid. God help us.

 

[Tangmo]

Are you saying that because we have two problems facing us, we should ignore one of them?? Why not address both of them?? Start with a database of all immigrants and require that anyone who employs or contracts with any immigrant report that fact to the gov't, along with the immigrant's current address and an ID# attached to their "green card". This way we know where they are, so that if they do overstay their visit, they can be contacted to correct the situation and if they won't correct it, then send them home. Now that we have the visa issue addressed, how about you take a turn and address how to stop the illegal border crossings...

What I ignore are bogus questions.

My post is what it is, nothing more and nothing less. I make a point that the right has concocted a false narrative that has only one side to it and that the one side is overstated grossly while the other half of the equation is ignored consciously, willfully, deliberately -- nefariously.

Legal immigrants overstaying their visa is a problem common to many countries. No government has anywhere near enough immigration officers to adequately enforce visa laws whether it's about individuals or employers. So even a government that might be hyperactive in enforcing visa laws would still come up short. Small business owners are overburdened as it is by laws, rules, regulations paperwork and reporting requirements. Expanding the government's police forces and policing authorities might please the right but it would also cause rightwingers to buy more guns and ammo to check the ever expanding police state.

More than 25,000 members of the armed forces are not citizens of USA which is good for the USA as history has proved. Local, state and federal police authorities want to hire these veterans but cannot because the laws need to be changed. Police departments and agencies are already hiring documented immigrant green card holders as LEO. Yet the right ignores these facts out of its desire to pursue its nefarious agenda concerning immigrants. The irresponsible ignoring includes the documented immigrants who are in service to the country and the immigrants who overstay their visa. Indeed, the right's attitude in this is abysmal.

 

[Tangmo]

Military folks say that the wall is about 101 on their top 100 lists of priorities.
Military folks do not consider the wall to be a matter of national security.

U.S. armed forces funding and constructing a wall against our latin America neighbors presents a severe threat to the national security. Hostile neighbors who become unnecessarily hostile are a breeding ground to hostile foreign strategic competitors of the United States. Have no doubt the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the military commanders at the Pentagon are well aware of the fact. Potus and his Fanboyz demolishing Nafta further harms directly the national security of the United States in respect of our immediate neighbors, as ten retired four-star commanders of U.S. Southern Command and Northern Command, respectively, have advised Potus in writing. The severe damage to the national security currently occurring will not be tolerated for much longer. Indeed, tolerating it only allows the national security to be damaged beyond repair.

 

[Tangmo]

So requiring people to enter our country legally is wrong. Does it get any more stupid than this.
So the American people deciding who is allowed in our country is wrong. WOW! just WOW!
People with no respect for our laws should be rewarded for sneaking into our country. So I guess it does get more stupid. God help us.

The post is a moonbeam. It resonates with lunar types only thx anyway. Indeed, the post is your concoction and yours only. Youse.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

The law you quoted doesn't grant Donald Trump power to reappropriate funds for a border wall.

The law you quoted actually limits emergency powers, ensuring there must be a defined start and end point to a "state of emergency" and a president didn't just decide to hang on to emergency powers forever.

So, can you show me a law that states the President has emergency authority to reappropriate funds from, say, tank production to wall construction?

Procedure for new emergencies

The Act authorized the President to activate emergency provisions of law via an emergency declaration on the conditions that the President specifies the provisions so activated and notifies Congress. An activation would expire if the President expressly terminated the emergency, or did not renew the emergency annually, or if each house of Congress passed a resolution terminating the emergency. After presidents objected to this "Congressional termination" provision on separation of powers grounds, it was replaced in 1985 with termination by an enacted joint resolution. The Act also requires the President and executive agencies to maintain records of all orders and regulations that proceed from use of emergency authority, and to regularly report the cost incurred to Congress.

Exceptions

Certain emergency authorities were exempted from the act at the time of its passage:

10 USC 2304(a) (1) (allowing exemption of national defense contracts from competitive bidding)
10 USC 3313, 6386(c) and 8313 (regulating the promotion, retirement and separation of military officers)
12 USC 95(a) (regulating transactions in foreign gold and silver)
40 USC 278(b) (regulating federal property purchases and contracts)
41 USC 15 and 203 (limiting the assignment of claims against the federal government)
50 USC 1431-1435 (enabling the President to make national defense contracts outside of otherwise applicable rules)
.

 

[faithful_servant]

What I ignore are bogus questions.

My post is what it is, nothing more and nothing less. I make a point that the right has concocted a false narrative that has only one side to it and that the one side is overstated grossly while the other half of the equation is ignored consciously, willfully, deliberately -- nefariously.

Legal immigrants overstaying their visa is a problem common to many countries. No government has anywhere near enough immigration officers to adequately enforce visa laws whether it's about individuals or employers. So even a government that might be hyperactive in enforcing visa laws would still come up short. Small business owners are overburdened as it is by laws, rules, regulations paperwork and reporting requirements. Expanding the government's police forces and policing authorities might please the right but it would also cause rightwingers to buy more guns and ammo to check the ever expanding police state.

More than 25,000 members of the armed forces are not citizens of USA which is good for the USA as history has proved. Local, state and federal police authorities want to hire these veterans but cannot because the laws need to be changed. Police departments and agencies are already hiring documented immigrant green card holders as LEO. Yet the right ignores these facts out of its desire to pursue its nefarious agenda concerning immigrants. The irresponsible ignoring includes the documented immigrants who are in service to the country and the immigrants who overstay their visa. Indeed, the right's attitude in this is abysmal.

So just random whining without even attempting to offer a solution....

/flush

 

[Tangmo]

Are you saying that because we have two problems facing us, we should ignore one of them?? Why not address both of them??

You first thx.

It is anyway what my post did.

Your turn.

Can you just provide a simple Yes or No, because so far it sounds like you don't want illegal immigration stopped. If you do, then why not offer solutions instead of just attacking ideas??

This is definitely your theme to several posters to include yours truly.

True.

The theme is meanwhile false.

So just random whining without even attempting to offer a solution....

/flush

Trump's Wall is your stinker.

Keeps getting higher while it in fact gets nowhere. Mexico has made clear it will pay when hell freezes over. Trump's covered in it now eh.

 

[Deuce]

Procedure for new emergencies

The Act authorized the President to activate emergency provisions of law via an emergency declaration on the conditions that the President specifies the provisions so activated and notifies Congress. An activation would expire if the President expressly terminated the emergency, or did not renew the emergency annually, or if each house of Congress passed a resolution terminating the emergency. After presidents objected to this "Congressional termination" provision on separation of powers grounds, it was replaced in 1985 with termination by an enacted joint resolution. The Act also requires the President and executive agencies to maintain records of all orders and regulations that proceed from use of emergency authority, and to regularly report the cost incurred to Congress.

Exceptions

Certain emergency authorities were exempted from the act at the time of its passage:

10 USC 2304(a) (1) (allowing exemption of national defense contracts from competitive bidding)
10 USC 3313, 6386(c) and 8313 (regulating the promotion, retirement and separation of military officers)
12 USC 95(a) (regulating transactions in foreign gold and silver)
40 USC 278(b) (regulating federal property purchases and contracts)
41 USC 15 and 203 (limiting the assignment of claims against the federal government)
50 USC 1431-1435 (enabling the President to make national defense contracts outside of otherwise applicable rules)
.

Making the contract doesn't inherently authorize funding on that scale.

 

[trixare4kids]

Just put a 10% tax on all remittances sent from the US to Mexico...that d be about $2.6 Bil for last year.

Keep that up every year and wed have it paid for in less than 10 years. Use the Military budget to pay American companies to build it and pay the taxpayers back using the tax above.

Problem solved.

Another problem solved would be the mass exodus of illegal immigrants working here. What's the point of them staying here if we tax their remittances? I actually think we should tax them at the same rate we tax our US citizens. Seems like the right thing to do.

 

[trixare4kids]

Are you also going to tax american citizens and american businesses who send money to mexico?

They work here illegally and send remittances back to their homeland? :lamo

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Making the contract doesn't inherently authorize funding on that scale.

Uh huh.

Just admit it, you were wrong from the get go.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Another problem solved would be the mass exodus of illegal immigrants working here. What's the point of them staying here if we tax their remittances? I actually think we should tax them at the same rate we tax our US citizens. Seems like the right thing to do.

Good point. Besides, at least its voluntary unlike our income tax rates. The can send nothing back if they so choose. As soon as we start heavily fining employers of illegals the illegals will start self deporting. No job, no money, no benefits, no reason to stay. Better for Americans competing for low skills jobs.

I like legal immigration, sure, some of my favorite students were from places like Venezuela ...where, unlike many of my American students, they didnt take for granted what too many in the states do. And I certainly like Americans over illegals... any day.

 

[Diving Mullah]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/03/25/build-the-wall-through-the-military-n2464501

Yes, would be a great Idea.

Wait how did we go from Mexico paying for the the wall to US Military building and US paying for it.

Mexico is laughing their assesses at our President Spanky!

Diving Mullah

 

[Carleen]

Wait how did we go from Mexico paying for the the wall to US Military building and US paying for it.

Mexico is laughing their assesses at our President Spanky!

Diving Mullah

Just a little update from Trump in Ohio today. He claimed that work has already started on his wall when in fact it is repairs passed in 2009 under Obama.

 

[Diving Mullah]

Just a little update from Trump in Ohio today. He claimed that work has already started on his wall when in fact it is repairs passed in 2009 under Obama.

So Obama build the wall?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Just a little update from Trump in Ohio today. He claimed that work has already started on his wall when in fact it is repairs passed in 2009 under Obama.

America now does work at the speed of mud.

The Chinese dont.