Should Schools be Fully Open in the Fall?

[trouble13]

Again, a teacher can't "come in and teach" if their school board has said they're working remotely.

Yes, they should've been required to do that. Who wasn't?

Teachers are zooming from their homes. I would not of allowed that and I would of opened schools last Sept. Teachers would have been given a choice. Come in and teach or find another job.

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[Josie]

Teachers are zooming from their homes. I would not of allowed that and I would of opened schools last Sept. Teachers would have been given a choice. Come in and teach or find another job.

Teachers were zooming from their homes because the school board said they have to teach from home not because the teachers all decided to stay home. You don't seem to be getting it....

 

[trouble13]

Teachers were zooming from their homes because the school board said they have to teach from home not because the teachers all decided to stay home. You don't seem to be getting it....

I get it. It was an administrative choice that was negotiated by the unions. I am not blaming teachers. I am saying I would not of allowed the unions to organize what amounts to a teachers strike go unanswered. Teachers should have been told to either come back to work to keep your job or stand with the union on the unemployment line.

 

[Josie]

I get it. It was an administrative choice that was negotiated by the unions. I am not blaming teachers. I am saying I would not of allowed the unions to organize what amounts to a teachers strike go unanswered. Teachers should have been told to either come back to work to keep your job or stand with the union on the unemployment line.

Nah, you don't get it. You started by blaming all of the teachers and now that you realized you were wrong, you're on to blaming the unions. You truly have no idea what you're talking about and I'm going to bet you really don't want to know what you're talking about. You just want to believe what you want to believe.

 

[vesper]

And where exactly are you going to get these brand new teachers from?

Actually there are a lot of young adults who received a teaching degree that can't find a job. Once you get hired and become a member of the union, even if you are a bad teacher it can take years to have them removed costing many millions in legal fees that the taxpayers must pony up to pay for it. But if they didn't have the union, these teachers would be booted and the hungry ones wanting a chance would be there to take their place in a heartbeat. Many of these people with a degree in teaching don't bother to go for their masters until they land a job because the school administration don't want someone with a masters because it means more pay so they wait till they are hired before going for their masters.

 

[Josie]

Actually there are a lot of young adults who received a teaching degree that can't find a job. Once you get hired and become a member of the union, even if you are a bad teacher it can take years to have them removed costing many millions in legal fees that the taxpayers must pony up to pay for it. But if they didn't have the union, these teachers would be booted and the hungry ones wanting a chance would be there to take their place.

We have a union and we also have a teacher shortage.

 

[vesper]

We have a union and we also have a teacher shortage.

Teacher shortages are not a problem in my area. Getting rid of the bad ones is a huge problem.

 

[Josie]

Teacher shortages are not a problem in my area. Getting rid of the bad ones is a huge problem.

They are a problem in many areas across the country --- all of those districts have unions, I bet. For several years now we have been hiring full-time classroom teachers who don't even have their teaching certificate yet. You have to take what you can get when you need to fill a spot (like a SPED teacher) but there are no applicants or very few applicants. I do agree that bad teachers shouldn't be in schools. But I also understand that when there's a shortage of teachers, you have to keep them to legally stay in compliance with the state.

 

[trouble13]

Nah, you don't get it. You started by blaming all of the teachers and now that you realized you were wrong, you're on to blaming the unions. You truly have no idea what you're talking about and I'm going to bet you really don't want to know what you're talking about. You just want to believe what you want to believe.

You seem to think you know what I believe better than I do lol.

You want to claim the teachers have no say in this and to some extent that's correct. However the union represents the teachers so the unions position is the teachers position.

I have been clear about how I would handle this strike.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You may assume the vaccine is as fully distributed as it ever will be.

I may, but I'm not going to.

 

[Jay59]

"If they means"? Perhaps you should reread before insulting someone else's intelligence. And, obviously, he was speaking about teachers.

Which is why I specified students.

 

[Josie]

Which is why I specified students.

I'm sure that makes sense to you.

 

[vesper]

They are a problem in many areas across the country --- all of those districts have unions, I bet. For several years now we have been hiring full-time classroom teachers who don't even have their teaching certificate yet. You have to take what you can get when you need to fill a spot (like a SPED teacher) but there are no applicants or very few applicants. I do agree that bad teachers shouldn't be in schools. But I also understand that when there's a shortage of teachers, you have to keep them to legally stay in compliance with the state.

I hope your district is able to fill the the shortages soon. Maybe you can give the administration a hat tip to pursue applicants from Ohio. We seem to have a real excess of those who have completed their education but can't find a position in this area.

 

[molten_dragon]

Yes, schools should be fully open. If districts want to offer an online option and have the resources to do so, go for it, but it should be 100% voluntary. There is zero justification for forcing online schooling on people who don't want it in the fall. By that point any staff member who wants to be vaccinated will have had the opportunity to do so. Even older kids will have had several months to get vaccinated. Elementary school students are the only ones who will not have had the opportunity to get vaccinated, and the risk to kids that age is very small.

 

[Luther]

I posted fully open but parents should still have the option to do online from home. Which is what is being proposed in my state.

And is it actually PS teachers that will be doing this teaching online?

 

[Luther]

All teachers have been working all year long. It’s been the most difficult year by far for most teachers. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Yes, those reduced Class sizes were very hard

 

[Fiddytree]

Yes, those reduced Class sizes were very hard

Seriously, dude? Don’t be a jerk.

 

[Lursa]

And is it actually PS teachers that will be doing this teaching online?

Yes. Who else?

 

[Luther]

Yes. Who else?

Private , that's "who else"

 

[roguenuke]

Actually there are a lot of young adults who received a teaching degree that can't find a job. Once you get hired and become a member of the union, even if you are a bad teacher it can take years to have them removed costing many millions in legal fees that the taxpayers must pony up to pay for it. But if they didn't have the union, these teachers would be booted and the hungry ones wanting a chance would be there to take their place in a heartbeat. Many of these people with a degree in teaching don't bother to go for their masters until they land a job because the school administration don't want someone with a masters because it means more pay so they wait till they are hired before going for their masters.

There is a teacher shortage already. And none of this has anything to do with what happens if you fire a lot of experienced teachers except as a complaint about teachers' unions, which doesn't even sound like it is more than something someone heard about, and then repeated.

 

[roguenuke]

Private , that's "who else"

Private doesn't work better than public, despite the claims. Private schools don't pay as well as public schools and with the exception of the really pricey private schools (which are the ones that bring up the average perception that they are "better" to begin with), most private schools do not do as well as public schools.

 

[Luther]

There is a teacher shortage already. And none of this has anything to do with what happens if you fire a lot of experienced teachers except as a complaint about teachers' unions, which doesn't even sound like it is more than something someone heard about, and then repeated.

There is a teacher shortage already

No there isn't

You fell for it "Hook line and sinker"

 

[Luther]

Private doesn't work better than public, despite the claims. Private schools don't pay as well as public schools and with the exception of the really pricey private schools (which are the ones that bring up the average perception that they are "better" to begin with), most private schools do not do as well as public schools.

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[roguenuke]

Teacher shortages are not a problem in my area. Getting rid of the bad ones is a huge problem.

So you want to hire more unqualified teachers despite recognizing that it looks like your area already didn't screen well for teachers to begin with, hence the problem getting rid of bad teachers?

 

[roguenuke]

No there isn't

You fell for it "Hook line and sinker"

Yes there is.

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