Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

[Lovebug]

Other.
Legal immigrants Should have a path to citizenship.

They already do.
Now back to the question.

 

[Lovebug]

Trump has done no such thing. And specifically what industries require undocumented immigrants????????

Legal immigrants gain citizenship in the US all the time All they have to do is go through the legal process. Illegal immigrants have by definition committed crimes.

The felon has committed crimes.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Trump has recognized that undocumented immigrants are important for several industries and has backed off arresting and deporting them. I would argue that there are a lot more industries that need these workers to operate effectively.

Those immigrants who haven't committed crimes and are productively employed - should they be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship?

YES, and the path should be easy to follow.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

The felon has committed crimes.

He should be deported, he's a traitor and guilty of many crimes. He keeps saying he wants to get rid of all the bad people, yet there his is, still committing crimes in the guise of president.

 

[Cosmo]

Trump has recognized that undocumented immigrants are important for several industries and has backed off arresting and deporting them. I would argue that there are a lot more industries that need these workers to operate effectively.

Those immigrants who haven't committed crimes and are productively employed - should they be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship?

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?​

Should fish swim and birds fly?

I love how "undocumented" now means "law abiding."

As for the industries where they are "important," I suspect in many cases that's because they're illegal in the first place and don't pay taxes (and neither does the employer pay the employer portion of the tax), so they're simply cheaper than citizen locals who'd have to pay taxes and lose their food stamps and Medicaid once they start having income that's reported.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sure:

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Now show me where large numbers of lefties are DEFENDING these people.
Or...you could just admit that emotional immaturity and/or slavish devotion to Trump compelled you to bash people of a more liberal persuasion.
You do not sound very liberal or moderate, you sound like you're vigorously attacking anyone who does not bow to Trump.
One city made a stupid mistake, and I believe, corrected course if I am not mistaken.

But suddenly everyone is rushing to the aid of Honduran fent-slingers?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

They already do.
Now back to the question.

Not as long as ICE are arresting legal immigrants at their final interviews, and also arresting Green Card holders and even citizens.

 

[Nickyjo]

Illegal aliens are not law-abiding.

Neither are those who hire them. The solution is fairly simple, but politically impossible: support policies that would have workers making more money, toil in safe factories and farms, etc. But many in the GOP want it both ways, have illegals subsidizing us with their cheap labor, and at the same time provide politicians like Trump with a group to demonize. Among Trump’s first actions was to legalize a pesticide withdrawn for study that causes birth defects in farm workers and eliminate the requirement that a firm’s record of its workers’ deaths and injuries be considered, merely considered as a factor in granting them a government contract. Dollars to donuts he has pro employer figures as heads of agencies tasked with protecting workers. It’s win-win.

 

[Mycroft]

Neither are those who hire them.

I agree.

The solution is fairly simple, but politically impossible: support policies that would have workers making more money, toil in safe factories and farms, etc. But many in the GOP want it both ways, have illegals subsidizing us with their cheap labor, and at the same time provide politicians like Trump with a group to demonize. Among Trump’s first actions was to legalize a pesticide withdrawn for study that causes birth defects in farm workers and eliminate the requirement that a firm’s record of its workers’ deaths and injuries be considered, merely considered as a factor in granting them a government contract. Dollars to donuts he has pro employer figures as heads of agencies tasked with protecting workers. It’s win-win.

Wrong.

The solution is very simple: Remove the illegal aliens. Prosecute the employers who hire them.

Employers have had it too easy for far too long. It's time for them to hire legal workers and pay them the wages they want.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Illegal aliens are not law-abiding.

We're talking about undocumented immigrants who haven't broken any but immigration laws; people who have demonstrated in decades of residency that they can be productive, valuable members of our communities. But I think you knew that and are just being you.

 

[LostInSeattle]

I've watched that video a number of times and I STILL don't see him saying they can stay.

He said of farmers, "we can't take all their people [farm workers] and send them back."

 

[Cameron]

You ignore the fact that all those patiently waiting their turn in line, following the path to seek citizenship the right way shouldn't have to wait longer because you think the above group deserves a break today.

I don't see why creating the pathway to citizenship I described should cause anyone to have to wait longer. And I'm sorry, but based on your leaders' words and actions, I don't believe conservatives honestly care about the point you are making. I believe they don't want more non-white people in this country, period. Have any of your leaders (or you personally, here) ever proposed making it easier or quicker for the people you are talking about to get citizenship?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?​

Should fish swim and birds fly?

Given. No. Earned. Yes.

 

[Yakshi]

Trump has recognized that undocumented immigrants are important for several industries and has backed off arresting and deporting them. I would argue that there are a lot more industries that need these workers to operate effectively.

Those immigrants who haven't committed crimes and are productively employed - should they be allowed to remain and given a path to citizenship?

It has been fascinating to see Trump slowly and grudgingly begin to understand how the world works.

It's as if he is engaged in a war of attrition with his own brain, with both sides sustaining heavy casualities and lost limbs.

His toadies must be so alarmed. I wonder which moron they will worship next.

 

[MamboDervish]

I agree.


Wrong.

The solution is very simple: Remove the illegal aliens. Prosecute the employers who hire them.

Employers have had it too easy for far too long. It's time for them to hire legal workers and pay them the wages they want.

Trump disagrees with you. How do you reconcile with that?

 

[MamboDervish]

Given. No. Earned. Yes.

Your reply seems to be to the OP - not to my response. I copied the OP to address the question. But I'll bite. What if the reason someone is a refugee or asylum seeker is directly because of US actions abroad? If they and their family has been victimized by our foreign policy, does that qualify as "earned" in your book? Or are there other flaming hoops they need to jump through besides just getting here?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Now show me where large numbers of lefties are DEFENDING these people.
Or...you could just admit that emotional immaturity and/or slavish devotion to Trump compelled you to bash people of a more liberal persuasion.
You do not sound very liberal or moderate, you sound like you're vigorously attacking anyone who does not bow to Trump.
One city made a stupid mistake, and I believe, corrected course if I am not mistaken.

But suddenly everyone is rushing to the aid of Honduran fent-slingers?

If you think I defend Trump, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump disagrees with you. How do you reconcile with that?

shrug...

I think for myself.

 

[BirdinHand]

I would grant those who did not follow the proper process coming here but are not criminals a path to legal permanent residency - such as a green card.

I would support and advocate for changing our immigration laws.

 

[MamboDervish]

shrug...

I think for myself.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The felon has committed crimes.

You poor TDS libruls have worn that out. As the 2024 election has shown, you are not getting any mileage out of it. All but the hardcore TDS left is well aware that the convictions are bogus and a result of the Biden Admins weaponization of the Justice Dept against political opponents.

 

[Lovebug]

You poor TDS libruls have worn that out. As the 2024 election has shown, you are not getting any mileage out of it. All but the hardcore TDS left is well aware that the convictions are bogus and a result of the Biden Admins weaponization of the Justice Dept against political opponents.

None of what I wrote is false. He is a convicted felon. No spin will change that.

 

[Gaius46]

Illegal aliens are not law-abiding.

So if you lived in Honduras and your kids were going hungry and you constantly worried about them and you getting shot you'd be all upstanding and law abiding and not try to get into a safer country?

And if pigs had wings they'd fly

 

[KevinKohler]

Absolutely.


Even if busted for being here illegally, I think some form of path to citizenship should be possible.

 

[Mycroft]

So if you lived in Honduras and your kids were going hungry and you constantly worried about them and you getting shot you'd be all upstanding and law abiding and not try to get into a safer country?

It's not about me. It's about the law.

So if you lived in Chicago and your kids were going hungry and you constantly worried about them and you getting shot you'd be all upstanding and law abiding and not try to go to a safer state and move into someone's house?