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Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?

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W_Heisenberg said:
They are now deliberately targeting illegal immigrants who are otherwise law-abiding. They are doing this to meet a quota. It's not an accident. It's intentional.
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If they illegally cross into the US, they are not law abiding.
 
Ahlevah said:
This is a Republican strategist’s wet dream: “Democrats are very embittered, militant, hateful people who support sanctuary cities and states for criminals waving Mexican flags, plastering buildings with expletive-laced graffiti, and throwing rocks at law enforcement trying to keep order or execute valid judicial warrants, all the while comparing our dedicated public servants to the Gestapo. These people hate America. They even hate the army that gave them the right to act like this.”
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You’re a bigot if you object to having an underclass of easily exploitable ‘undocumented’ workers filling jobs that many US citizens won’t do (for the compensation and/or working conditions offered). ;)
 
stealthycat said:
the decisions made by people to come here illegally have consequences

that's on them - put the blame where it lays


all of this is because of one thing - people coming here illegally/staying here illegally. If they wasn't doing that, NONE of this would be happening. They are the core problem here
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We need to blame the bleeding heart lefties as well, who enable them.
 
Gaius46 said:
My point is that illegally crossing the border does not make one a threat as many people seem to claim (see all the comments saying "they crossed the border that makes them criminals" - a naked attempt to conflate illegally crossing the border with other acts of criminality)

LEOs ignore lots of low level, petty crimes. We just don't have enough cops, lawyers, judges and money to deal with all laws that get broken every day.
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I guess that depends on your perspective. How many of these people need government subsidies? The regular legal system brings in people who can support themselves.
 
stealthycat said:
there is respectable methods and means for coming to the USA legally and all those people pee all over that and do what they want to anyway

don't they ?
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The government simply doesn't have the manpower (assuming a willingness) to fulfill all the requests for citizenship. As a consequence, illegal entry exists as an ugly fact.

Sorry that reality has taken a piss on your immigration fantasy.

Perhaps, that's why you enjoy Trump's draconian tactics.
 
stealthycat said:
that will change - LEGAL is what everyone should be gunning for here. ILLEGAL should be what everyone is absolutely standing against
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A MAGA fever dream.
 
quip said:
The government simply doesn't have the manpower (assuming a willingness) to fulfill all the requests for citizenship. As a consequence, illegal entry exists as an ugly fact.
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we are #1 in the world in allowing people to come into the country legally - non-citizens don't get to dictate how that works and breaking the laws isn't justification


quip said:
Sorry that reality has taken a piss on your immigration fantasy.
Perhaps, that's why you enjoy Trump's draconian tactics.
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then anytime anyone breaks any laws because it benefits them and they don't want to do things legally ..... you're ok with that ?


or do you cherry pick what laws can be broken and which cannot ? and if that's the case, you understand others can do the same, right ? for the same reasons
 
stealthycat said:
we are #1 in the world in allowing people to come into the country legally - non-citizens don't get to dictate how that works and breaking the laws isn't justification
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Really? Is that a per capita number for which you have credible links to data? Or did you just pull that statistic out of your ass? Just curious.
stealthycat said:
then anytime anyone breaks any laws because it benefits them and they don't want to do things legally ..... you're ok with that ?
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Are you OK with Trump's illegal activities? He is, after all, a convicted felon.
stealthycat said:
or do you cherry pick what laws can be broken and which cannot ? and if that's the case, you understand others can do the same, right ? for the same reasons
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ibid
 
W_Heisenberg said:
They are now deliberately targeting illegal immigrants who are otherwise law-abiding. They are doing this to meet a quota. It's not an accident. It's intentional.
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Yes, I'm sure that is what the lying media and bloggers you have set on a pedestal have told you.

Do you honestly think they would turn a blind eye to all other illegals?

When they said they are actively seeking the dangerous ones, they never said they would only deport the dangerous ones.
 
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quip said:
The government simply doesn't have the manpower (assuming a willingness) to fulfill all the requests for citizenship. As a consequence, illegal entry exists as an ugly fact.

Sorry that reality has taken a piss on your immigration fantasy.

Perhaps, that's why you enjoy Trump's draconian tactics.
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There are quotas for a reason and part of the legal entry has to do with the people coming in having job skills that can support themselves. We already have generational poor people and these illegal entries are composed almost entirely of more low skilled people who will in general, have generational low skilled progeny.

Maybe you enjoy having a large lower class populous you can exploit....
 
MAGAnificent said:
So far, they are still refusing to look inward and self-reflect. The indications at this point seem to be that they plan to again run on the wrong side of the issues that destroyed them in the 2024 elections. Let's see if that changes in the lead up to the 2026 midterms. I have my doubts.
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Yes, and so do I. All they have left is to publicly embarrass themselves, screaming at Trump, calling him names because they are literally fueled by extreme entitlement. They are perpetually pissed off at the winner of a democratic election process whereas they should be deeply concerned by their own loss. They haven't realized yet that those they were championing rendered themselves powerless in 2024. They did it to themselves, put themselves behind the eight ball. It's up to them to get a new strategy, but for now they are digging in with the same old silly shit like "no Kings".
 
stealthycat said:
I swear so very few people know how to google

Immigration by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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As expected, your link only provides totals, but no data regarding % in comparison to our own size and population. So saying "we are #1 in the world in allowing people to come into the country legally" is a totally hollow statistic to cite. Look at who we are being compared to. Is there any reason you'd expect Germany, Turkey, or the Netherlands, for example, to have more? Yet you say it like it should mean something.
stealthycat said:
if he immigrated here illegally I'd have a big problem with it yes
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Trump doesn't.
 
quip said:
he government simply doesn't have the manpower (assuming a willingness) to fulfill all the requests for citizenship.
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That only applies when the democrats facilitate allowing millions of illegal ass-wipes to overwhelm the system. Obviously, that's why the cartels coached the ass-wipes to scream asylum if they get caught. They knew that the ass-wipes would just be given a court date one to three years into the future and released into society, never to show up for their court date.
quip said:
As a consequence, illegal entry exists as an ugly fact.
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Now in the process of being corrected. We now have border security, and the more ass-wipes we deport, the less the system gets overwhelmed.
 
stealthycat said:
we are #1 in the world in allowing people to come into the country legally - non-citizens don't get to dictate how that works and breaking the laws isn't justification.
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Perhaps you're in need of further updating.... the non-impartial wheels of legal immigration move slowly. Reality ruins your day once again by dictating "how it works".
stealthycat said:
then anytime anyone breaks any laws because it benefits them and they don't want to do things legally ..... you're ok with that ?


or do you cherry pick what laws can be broken and which cannot ? and if that's the case, you understand others can do the same, right ? for the same reasons
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Your strawman notwithstanding....you seem to be refusing to make a moral distinction between seeking a better life for oneself/family vs. general disordered lawlessness.
The former is a net gain for society; the latter....a net loss.
The fact that you must conflate the two reveals volumes about who you are morally and your level of hypocrisy....as you've yet to tell me exactly why you wouldn't seek a better life for you and yours if the shoe was on the other foot.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Arguing that those found to be violating federal immigration law should be ignored (excused?) is ridiculous.
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My point has always been that while these people break the law by crossing the border that does not make them dangerous nor is it evidence that they will act illegally in other ways.

As to enforcement whether it's ridiculous or not LEOs ignore far more law breakers than they arrest. That's just the nature of the beast when you don't have infinite money and manpower and have criminalized so much behavior that lots of people violate lots of laws and don't even know it.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I guess that depends on your perspective. How many of these people need government subsidies? The regular legal system brings in people who can support themselves.
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Dunno tbh I remember reading more than once, in reputable publications, that illegals are a net benefit to the economy.
 
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