Should gays be allowed to serve openly in the military?

[Rhapsody1447]

You continually claim that being gay is innate and NOT a choice. You claim that no one would CHOOSE to be gay because of the social taboo. You continually discount testimonies of gays gone straight and straights gone gay with the mother of all copouts. You make assumptions that people who were "straight" were only that way because of the evil "gay-bashers"; give me a break.

• There is no scientific evidence that points to someone being born gay, as opposed to them being born black, or white.
  
• The majorities (if not all) of gays only become so after a tragic experience as a child or a homosexual experience.
  
• Many gays will break from their disgusting habit and become "straight" once again, raising a family and marrying a spouse.
  
• Being gay is a personal decision made by a host of confused and broken individuals (usually after a divorce, or tragic breakup)

Homosexuality is a disease. Much like crack/cocaine/heroin/ecstasy sex is addicting and when used wrongly can become harmful and misused. However there is a cure, I have read many testimonies of people who have been cured of this illness and experienced many first hand. You constantly bring up that we should not care what other people do, let them live their lives, it is their choice let them make it. Well I say to you let's do the same of drug users. Let them make their choice to be a crack addict or not, who are you or the government to step and call that action illegal or immoral? Why not live and let live? The moment our society degrades into such a lack of morality and lawlessness is the day we can stop calling ourselves America. I feel that with every breath that people like you and 1069 breathe is one step closer to that tragic fate.

 

[disneydude]

You continually claim that being gay is innate and NOT a choice. You claim that no one would CHOOSE to be gay because of the social taboo. You continually discount testimonies of gays gone straight and straights gone gay with the mother of all copouts. You make assumptions that people who were "straight" were only that way because of the evil "gay-bashers"; give me a break.

• There is no scientific evidence that points to someone being born gay, as opposed to them being born black, or white.
  
• The majorities (if not all) of gays only become so after a tragic experience as a child or a homosexual experience.
  
• Many gays will break from their disgusting habit and become "straight" once again, raising a family and marrying a spouse.
  
• Being gay is a personal decision made by a host of confused and broken individuals (usually after a divorce, or tragic breakup)

Homosexuality is a disease. Much like crack/cocaine/heroin/ecstasy sex is addicting and when used wrongly can become harmful and misused. However there is a cure, I have read many testimonies of people who have been cured of this illness and experienced many first hand. You constantly bring up that we should not care what other people do, let them live their lives, it is their choice let them make it. Well I say to you let's do the same of drug users. Let them make their choice to be a crack addict or not, who are you or the government to step and call that action illegal or immoral? Why not live and let live? The moment our society degrades into such a lack of morality and lawlessness is the day we can stop calling ourselves America. I feel that with every breath that people like you and 1069 breathe is one step closer to that tragic fate.

Suffice it to say that this way of thinking was rejected by the psychological field approximately 1/2 a century ago. Education.....its really not a bad thing.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

But the truth is, your pissed because Im not some fag hating muslim hating, poor person hating, black person hating conservative who thinks everyone should be required to be christian and our laws should be centered around controlling people's morals.

What an ignorant, pretentious pile of crap.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

Suffice it to say that this way of thinking was rejected by the psychological field approximately 1/2 a century ago. Education.....its really not a bad thing.

Great response. HAH

 

[Navy Pride]

You continually claim that being gay is innate and NOT a choice. You claim that no one would CHOOSE to be gay because of the social taboo. You continually discount testimonies of gays gone straight and straights gone gay with the mother of all copouts. You make assumptions that people who were "straight" were only that way because of the evil "gay-bashers"; give me a break.

• There is no scientific evidence that points to someone being born gay, as opposed to them being born black, or white.
  
• The majorities (if not all) of gays only become so after a tragic experience as a child or a homosexual experience.
  
• Many gays will break from their disgusting habit and become "straight" once again, raising a family and marrying a spouse.
  
• Being gay is a personal decision made by a host of confused and broken individuals (usually after a divorce, or tragic breakup)

Homosexuality is a disease. Much like crack/cocaine/heroin/ecstasy sex is addicting and when used wrongly can become harmful and misused. However there is a cure, I have read many testimonies of people who have been cured of this illness and experienced many first hand. You constantly bring up that we should not care what other people do, let them live their lives, it is their choice let them make it. Well I say to you let's do the same of drug users. Let them make their choice to be a crack addict or not, who are you or the government to step and call that action illegal or immoral? Why not live and let live? The moment our society degrades into such a lack of morality and lawlessness is the day we can stop calling ourselves America. I feel that with every breath that people like you and 1069 breathe is one step closer to that tragic fate.

Amen my friend, Amen.......

 

[1069]

Homosexuality is a disease. Much like crack/cocaine/heroin/ecstasy sex is addicting and when used wrongly can become harmful and misused. However there is a cure, I have read many testimonies of people who have been cured of this illness and experienced many first hand.

:2rofll:

I feel that with every breath that people like you and 1069 breathe is one step closer to that tragic fate.

:lamo :funny

C'mon, DisneyDude, let's start breathing twice as fast!
Grab a paper bag, in case you start to hyperventilate! :mrgreen:

 

[Navy Pride]

Suffice it to say that this way of thinking was rejected by the psychological field approximately 1/2 a century ago. Education.....its really not a bad thing.

Yeah, you should try some......Truth be told no one knows for sure if gays are born that way or not.........

 

[Caine]

Why do you always attack other members who disagree with your left wing whacko views? You don't just do it with me.....You do it with everyone...Why don't you just respond to the subject of the thread?

You are really not even worth responding to..........Sad........

Why do you always attack other members who disagree with your right wing whacko views? You don't just do it with me.... Yo do it with everyone...Why don't you just respond to the subject of the thread?

You are really not even worth responding to............Sad........

 

[Caine]

What an ignorant, pretentious pile of crap.

Okay..... and the point of this response was??????????????

 

[Rhapsody1447]

:2rofll:



:lamo :funny

C'mon, Rhapsody, let's start breathing twice as fast!
Grab a paper bag, in case you start to hyperventilate! :mrgreen:

:rofl It would explain the global warming!

 

[disneydude]

Yeah, you should try some......Truth be told no one knows for sure if gays are born that way or not.........

So....if you don't know either way......why is it ok to assume that they aren't not and thus....use it as a basis to discriminate.

Seems to me.....if no one knows for sure.....the proper thing to do would be to assume that they are.....and treat them with the thus appropriate recognition.

 

[1069]

:rofl It would explain the global warming!

Nah, I edited my post. It was me & DisneyDude being referred to, n'est ce pas?
You're the one who said we were destroying society by breathing.
I can't joke around or be friends with people who think I ought not to breathe.

 

[disneydude]

I can't joke around or be friends with people who think I ought not to breathe.

Eh.....its just typical of these neo-cons. They won't be happy until the government is involved in every aspect of our lives and everyone lives according to standards that the government and the church says is ok.
I will never understand why people can't just "live and let live"....god forbid that anyone choose to live their life in a manner that they themselves deem appropriate.

 

[Hatuey]

I have read many testimonies of people who have been cured of this illness and experienced many first hand.

Yes. Word of mouth and hearsay = Undeniable fact.

 

[Rhapsody1447]

Eh.....its just typical of these neo-cons. They won't be happy until the government is involved in every aspect of our lives and everyone lives according to standards that the government and the church says is ok.
I will never understand why people can't just "live and let live"....god forbid that anyone choose to live their life in a manner that they themselves deem appropriate.

Haha, that my friend, is called liberalism. (education is a good thing) We conservatives (not neo-cons dumbass) just understand what morality is, and how it should be implemented into society. You can sit in your house and not give a **** about what goes on around you in your community but us who are morally responsible will have to play daddy and keep our society in proper form. Don't worry you can suck on the government's teat until the day you die, that is the great thing about this country. :roll:

 

[Topsez]

You can try to make this about me all you want.

But the truth is, your pissed because Im not some fag hating muslim hating, poor person hating, black person hating conservative who thinks everyone should be required to be christian and our laws should be centered around controlling people's morals.

That is the stupidest post I've read from you Caine.

Now, the debate is about gays in the military, and I have yet to find one person to give a reason other than "uncomfortable showers" and "I hate fags"

I think I offered several reasons why some hold reservations about gays... One is lack of understanding of how gays react with strait people in a work environment... two would a gay supervisor be able to fairly rate a strait soldier with a gay soldier in the element of his command... Are there two types of gay men, a famine and a masculine or do gays not apply to opposites attract? Could the famine gay perform as well as a masculine gay if such differences exist...? Damn I have a lot of reasons other than the two you offered.

I never had a problem with gay men or women while I was active duty army. I worked with men and women from many differing backgrounds and racial origins with little difficulty. I think the two major problems I had with soldiers were alcohol... a person that performed great sober could turn into a totally different person with as little as a couple beers wanting to fight and other illogical actions. Many very professional Afro American soldiers would turn street animal when certain triggers were pulled when they were in a group of other Afro Americans but alone remain professional or able to clearly communicate without rage the reason for being upset. Women soldiers would play games with leaders of I have something you want and we can talk... but I never had problems with gays... I don't hate or fear gays but I don't know gays and what problems may pop up if they were out of the closet in the military. So define how gays are different or the same as straits so an evaluation of the impact in the ranks and leadership could be made.

 

[Navy Pride]

So....if you don't know either way......why is it ok to assume that they aren't not and thus....use it as a basis to discriminate.

Seems to me.....if no one knows for sure.....the proper thing to do would be to assume that they are.....and treat them with the thus appropriate recognition.

Again no one is being discriminated against.....Its not a right to join the military, its a privilege..........

 

[1069]

Again no one is being discriminated against.....Its not a right to join the military, its a privilege..........

Gosh, you're redundant.
Are you sure you're a real person, and not some type of weird conservative spambot?
You've said this before, and I responded, "Well, then, it's a 'privilege' that many young men fled to Canada to avoid having bestowed upon them during the 1960s and 70s."
To which you or some other conservative responded that those guys were all a bunch of anti-American ******s, to which a bunch of us responded by discussing various family members of ours who either evaded the draft or served in Vietnam.
Ultimately, it was decided that everyone who did not serve was a coward, and everyone who did was a fool.
This exercise took about ten pages.
I'd rather not go through it again.
So I'm going to pretend that you did not say (yet again) that serving in the military is a privilege, and not a right.

 

[Skip]

Haha, that my friend, is called liberalism.

What is, controlling people's actions by legislating morality, their marriage choices & their reproductive choices? Nope, that's sure NOT liberalism.

We conservatives (not neo-cons dumbass) just understand what morality is, and how it should be implemented into society.

Nope, that's neo-con, buddy. Neo-cons think they understand morality, think its identical to every person, and think they know how it should be implemented into society - bu legislating it.

You can sit in your house and not give a **** about what goes on around you in your community

Or you can walk the streets, looking for "immoral" activity so you can arrest the participants.

 

[Navy Pride]

Gosh, you're redundant.
Are you sure you're a real person, and not some type of weird conservative spambot?
You've said this before, and I responded, "Well, then, it's a 'privilege' that many young men fled to Canada to avoid having bestowed upon them during the 1960s and 70s."
To which you or some other conservative responded that those guys were all a bunch of anti-American ******s, to which a bunch of us responded by discussing various family members of ours who either evaded the draft or served in Vietnam.
Ultimately, it was decided that everyone who did not serve was a coward, and everyone who did was a fool.
This exercise took about ten pages.
I'd rather not go through it again.
So I'm going to pretend that you did not say (yet again) that serving in the military is a privilege, and not a right.

Tell me something............When someone makes a valid point with you why do you always attack the person?.......It really does not become you and makes you look awfully foolish........

 

[Navy Pride]

Skip;454137]What is, controlling people's actions by legislating morality, their marriage choices & their reproductive choices? Nope, that's sure NOT liberalism.[/B]



Nope, that's neo-con, buddy. Neo-cons think they understand morality, think its identical to every person, and think they know how it should be implemented into society - bu legislating it.



Or you can walk the streets, looking for "immoral" activity so you can arrest the participants.

This thread is about gays serving openly in the military........I know its hard for you but try and concentrate like a laser beam and stay on topic..........thanks......

 

[Alex]

Again no one is being discriminated against.....Its not a right to join the military, its a privilege..........

Why do you believe that heterosexuals are more privileged than gays?

As I have stated on this site more than once, I was openly gay in the military and no one cared. No one cared on duty, no one cared off duty, no one cared at all. I never had any problem with it. I was not the only openly gay person in my squad. There were a few others and I never heard of any of them having any problems either. I do not think it is as much a problem today as it once was.

All the people that believe gays should not openly serve are living in the past. Gays are in the military, and they are open, get over it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Why do you believe that heterosexuals are more privileged than gays?
As I have stated on this site more than once, I was openly gay in the military and no one cared. No one cared on duty, no one cared off duty, no one cared at all. I never had any problem with it. I was not the only openly gay person in my squad. There were a few others and I never heard of any of them having any problems either. I do not think it is as much a problem today as it once was.

All the people that believe gays should not openly serve are living in the past. Gays are in the military, and they are open, get over it.

I don't............

You were not openly gay on a navy ship.........

 

[Skip]

This thread is about gays serving openly in the military........I know its hard for you but try and concentrate like a laser beam and stay on topic..........thanks......

You should be saying the same to Rhapsody.

 

[Alex]

I don't............

You were not openly gay on a navy ship.........

You stated that being in the military is a privilege and connected that idea to gays not being allowed to openly serve, but you now say that you don't believe heterosexuals are more privileged than gays? Which is it? Furthermore, what valid reasons do you have for gays not being allowed to openly serve? I believe that you are creating second-class citizens for no other reason than to satisfy your own ego. This is one way people like you try to put themselves above as many people as they can. Its a self-esteem issue. You are no better than anyone else and gays are just as capable of serving in the military as you are.