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LaMidRighter said:For all the anti-gun talk I have a response, the very first thing Hitler did was to register guns, then the owners dissappeared when they were finally made illegal.
LaMidRighter said:That being said, violent felons probably shouldn't own guns, but the case has been made since the Brady bill to include all felons which is in my opinion an abuse of constitutional and federal law.
LaMidRighter said:One thing I have to say is that in Louisiana we own guns, and know how to safely use and accurately fire them, I can remember the Elian Gonzales event in Florida, a whole squad of storm troopers going in to this family's house with fully automatic rifles and forcing their way in without giving the family the benefit of a knock first. The aforementioned abuse may have happened in my state as well, but chances are pretty good that after the first response shot would be fired by a surprised owner, the offending authority would get a little more polite.
LaMidRighter said:Charlie Reese, who is an op-ed journalist and constitutionalist who is very close to Florida basically stated that all that would have been necessary to retrieve the child would have been a social worker escourted by an unarmed female police officer.
LaMidRighter said:Apparently, the family had no desire to resist and so the Reno led storm troopers were overkill.
You've got to be kidding, right? Your wonderful state was ranked the most dangerous state in the Union in 2003 and improved to #2 in 2004.LaMidRighter said:One thing I have to say is that in Louisiana we own guns, and know how to safely use and accurately fire them
Gandhi>Bush said:It's not exactly a hard process to go from law abidding to criminal when you own a gun. You just pull a trigger.
neccy60 said:I have no idea what's being debated on precisely now, but I will say that felons should not own guns. There's too high a probablity they'll use it again.
C.J. said:The process may not be hard, but with approximately 200 million legally owned firearms in this country, it appears to be a process not normally utilized.
Gandhi>Bush said:With over 30,000 deaths related to guns in a given year (2002), it happens often enough.
http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.html
Gandhi>Bush said:With over 30,000 deaths related to guns in a given year (2002), it happens often enough.
Gandhi>Bush said:It's not exactly a hard process to go from law abidding to criminal when you own a gun. You just pull a trigger.
Gandhi>Bush said:The use of a gun that results in a death is the irresponsible use of a gun.
Gandhi>Bush said:I will concede it is a low percentage, but it is quite high if someone you knew was a part of that 30,000.
vauge said:Should a felon be allowed to own a gun (legally) after paying debt to society?
Gamago25 said:No felon should have a legal avenue to own a handgun/rifle/shotgun. Period.
Glad to hear he's up the river no matter what the reason. Florida Law just got tougher. Proud father of 3 girls the thing I wonder is, of all those dads out there whose girls have been in the arms of evil, how is it none have quietly sent these (hell bound or blinking to nothing, you pick) full grown adolescents to their final situation all the sooner thank you, thus saving the anguish of all those victims there probably would have been after he got out of jail AGAIN, and cutting the thread of misery he wove through society. Punishing. Just think if the first dad had done it how different johnsdad's horrible story would be. If there was no doubt is it your moral obligation to solve ever body's problem for good? Wager on a poll of all the college following dads and the likely future dads of violated daughters of this guy without the gun arrest,should the first guy do it?>#of gahndi's tea farm bushes methinks.johnsdad said:Absolutely not.
You give up the right when you commit the felony. I can also add this: A neighbor family, one house away, had a child one month younger than I. Essentially, I have known him since I was born and I am 66.
We lived in that close proximity until we were in college, but because of reunions, mutual friends etc, we have remained in contact for our entire lives.
One the eve of a reunion, knowing he was single (2000) I put in a call to him to share a hotel room as my wife was unable to attend, I was unable to hook up with him, so I called his brother.
It was then that I found out that he was awaiting trial for interstate dealing in child porn. I about s**t!
As the story developed, it was determined that two other classmates and I now knew of the situation.
The situation: Long, long story made short
While he was at an Ivy league college where he graduated, he was caught and convicted of fondling a child. No news anyplace, suspended sentence if he completed psychological treatment. He did, but carried conviction of a felony.
Approximately ten years later, another incident and he was convicted, but due to the prior conviction did spend one and a half years in state prison. At the time, I was in Vietnam.
So, from the 1970's onward he was on some sort of drug, did get married but divorced ten years later. This "angered" him and he stopped the drugs, bought a farm in VT (15 ac.), worked and went back to his habits except added dealing in child porn and hiding video camera's in school a/c vents in locker rooms and bathrooms. He was caught retrieving the tapes, was arrested and with the fondling, dealing and all, was looking at a max of three years in jail. In addition the school was in NY and he crossed over to VT, so the feds entered the picture.
In the ensuing investigation, it was determined that the extent in dealing was good sized, but still only amounted to maybe another one year in jail. There were no charges of "molesting" a girl (always girls) but he did fondle one that was known.
The big break in the case came when searching the old farm house, it was discovered that he had a single shot 22 Cal rifle that was about 50 years old.
BINGO....The gun rap is a big deal for the feds and it carried a 17 year mandatory sentence. He was convicted. He's dong the time in a federal pen and teaching other inmates reading. He writes scientific papers and still gets published. He will get out with good behavior in 8-9 years, and be 75 years -old... Assuming he lives that long.
If it weren't for the gun and the existing law, he'd be out now tracking your daughter, grand-daughter or friends daughter.
KEEP THE LAW
johnsdad said:Teacher
Glad you agree.
The guy is a real nice guy if you just met him, very well educated, pleasant etc. Family as we grew up was very nice, church going and both he and his brother were very active in student-body politics. On the outside, he was very normal.
But, he is one sick person. I had the occasion to meet a "shrink" that worked for the state and was involved in working with hard-core criminals that were being released back into society after lengthy prison stays exceeding 25 years.
In the discussion, the "molester" came up and he stated that essentially these people are never cured and only about 5-10% ever go straight. That he believed that those 5-10% were not actually cured, but were just smart enough to realize that they didn't like prison, so they went straight but were really not cured of their illness.
Jail is the best place and then a monitor on them for the rest of their lives when and if you ever let them out.
It's a sad story, but so is a much worse sad story for the parents, families, and the child if they are molested or worse.
Johnsdad
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