Americans weren't immigrants. You never even had a point, let alone that I made your point.
A pocketbook is a purse.
A tonic is a soda.
A bubbler is a water fountain.
Not difficult.
At one point,wasn't the language spoken by your ancestors the dominant language of their territory?
Did they require the European settlers to speak their language?
Did they try to assimulate as a whole?
Learn the language of the Cherokee/Creek as a whole
Or did they just kick your ancestors off their land like they did mine.
And that seems to be the root of the issue isn't it.
The fear of others doing to modern Americans what was done to the natives 200 to 300 years ago.
It might be moot point,but was it right what was done to our ancestors?
There is a big difference between having some ancestors that were Indian,and being half Indian.Such as myself.
I'm wondering,did you grow up on a reservation,did you go to a government Boarding school?
I grew up on the Wazi Ahanhan Oyaŋke (Pineridge Lakota ) "Res" in South Dakota in the '70's, I saw with my own eyes what the affects of 200-300 years have done. Try telling the poor of that region it's "moot point".
I remember as a little kid what happened at Wounded Knee in the 70's
I am relearning a language that was forcibly denied me as a child by our own government.
Like I've stated before on a previous post,there is a danger of an "Official Language" being turned into a "Forced Language". and that can easilly slide into a Forced Religion,and a Forced Ideology.
I've seen it happen.
I am asking this question because of an ongoing discussion .
here.
Should English be declared the official language of the United States?
Just how many fracking languages are we supposed to accomodate? Shall we make all documents available in Estonian? Should road signs include Mandarin, Cantonese, Swahili and Zulu? How far do you take this?
Maintaining a sense of national identity across several thousand miles of landmass, and several thousand miles of ocean in some cases, is difficult enough without the citizenry lacking a common language in which to speak with each other. Nothing makes people see others as alien moreso than not being able to communicate with them.
Diversity is all well and good but a nation of forty-seven languages, where half the population can't even talk with the other half, is no nation. It is a shambling mess looking for a place to fall apart.
I voted no. If you forced millions of immigrants to learn English, they would certainly learn it, but they would not have a high proficiency level. That takes years of wilful practice. In the mean time, having concise info available in their mother tongue keeps things less complicated and reduces errors.
Our ancestors who helped form this country came from all over. The people who built our cities were mainly immigrants. Maintaining flexibility is what allowed all that to happen.
An American who can't speak English is still an American.
The utility of an 'official' language is invaluable. All it means is that road signs, government forms, etc, are all in English.
Use ridiculous examples that don't make up even 1% of the country's population to attack 10% of the population. How right wing of you.
So do you think that the Europeans that were settling into Indian land should of "adjusted" to the land,learned to speak the language,assimilate into their culture, and that the Indians had every right to defend their land,their culture,their,way of life,by any means necessary?
So do you think that the Europeans that were settling into Indian land should of "adjusted" to the land,learned to speak the language,assimilate into their culture, and that the Indians had every right to defend their land,their culture,their,way of life,by any means necessary?
Why? Why not just make it a condition of emigration? If you want to come here be able to pass a basic American-English proficiency test.I believe that the USA should fully-fund learning centers throughout the country for both adult and child English courses.
Why? Why not just make it a condition of emigration? If you want to come here be able to pass a basic American-English proficiency test.
And for good measure let's add the same test to our welfare rolls. If you want the taxpayer to provide you with goodies show that you can read and write American-English.
Why? Why not just make it a condition of emigration? If you want to come here be able to pass a basic American-English proficiency test.
And for good measure let's add the same test to our welfare rolls. If you want the taxpayer to provide you with goodies show that you can read and write American-English.
But not any more. Second generation Mexicans speak Spanish. This is the beginning of the end of the nation....and we've always had second-generation immigrants fully assimilate into American culture and speak English. This has been the case for over 200 years. So what exactly has changed that has you so worried?
LOL. Maybe that is because all of the call centers and technical support centers have moved to Pakistan!I spent about 16 months bicycling cross-country in India, and can assure you, outside of the major cities, and tourist areas, it is very rare to find someone who speaks English,
But for them it was okay. They only warred with each other for slaves and women. Everyone know those are acceptable reasons.Oh, and I guess Native Americans never went to war with EACH OTHER? Right.
LOL. Up until this point I had not realized this was right versus left. I suppose I was wrong. Fortunately, I don't need to flip my vote. It is a good idea if we want to preserve this nation.Use ridiculous examples that don't make up even 1% of the country's population to attack 10% of the population. How right wing of you.
Sometimes this sounds good to me. You propose it. I will support you!Does this mean we can kick out people who don't understand English? That's more then a few users on this site who fail to grasp even a basic level of English Comprehension.
You realize that every time some crybaby from the boo hoo sniff snif waa evil Europeans stole our ancestors land group tries to make the argument about how European settlers did not speak common language of the land, did not assimilate and that there was no immigration control does not make a good guilt trip argument against making English the official language, against cracking down on illegal immigration or against requiring immigrants to assimilate. The only thing your argument does is say look what happened to my/our(some of us have ancestors who were native Americans) ancestors, they were ****ed in ass with a very splintery 2x4 because they did nothing to control immigration or require that new settlers didn't assimilate. Its like trying to using the fact your neighbors house with the crappy locks and no security system got robbed to endorse the fact that you do not need to replace your own crappy locks or to get a security system.
Actually, from my studies, that is exactly why the Native Indian tribes were utterly defeated: The European settlers out-immigrated and out-bred them, largely because one Cherokee living by traditional hunter-gatherer methods needed eight square miles of good land... and that same 8sq mi of good land could support thousands of settlers using European farming methods. Moreso even than technology or firearms, that did the tribes in.
And it is a good lesson for America today... let an "alien" people who don't want to assimilate in langage, culture, norms or practices gain a large foothold and outbreed you, and you may soon find yourself a marginalized minority in your own nation.
Actually, from my studies, that is exactly why the Native Indian tribes were utterly defeated: The European settlers out-immigrated and out-bred them, largely because one Cherokee living by traditional hunter-gatherer methods needed eight square miles of good land... and that same 8sq mi of good land could support thousands of settlers using European farming methods. Moreso even than technology or firearms, that did the tribes in.
And it is a good lesson for America today... let an "alien" people who don't want to assimilate in langage, culture, norms or practices gain a large foothold and outbreed you, and you may soon find yourself a marginalized minority in your own nation.
Are you trying to say that the Cherokee didn't have agriculture? Actually, the Cherokee were among the more sophisticated agriculturalists east of the Mississippi river.
English is the language of success worldwide at least until mandarin takes over. The cost of maintaining multiple languages is a burden on the people of every state in the union. One that should not be supported or needed. If they come let them learn the language.
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