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Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?


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AI will spit out anything you want if you phrase it properly. GIGO.
If you're to willing label that input -- i.e., MA's and NY's faith-based definitions of gender -- as garbage, then perhaps we can find common ground.
 
No, Lisa. I didn't say neuroscience research on gender identity doesn't exist. I said it's never, ever used as a standard in operative gender law. And we both know I'm right about that.
She's destroyed you in this exchange, so when you say you both know something, it seems like one of you doesn't.
 
She's destroyed you in this exchange, so when you say you both know something, it seems like one of you doesn't.
Whoever's side you're on should be worried.

But hey, let's see what you've got. I've asked Lisa to cite a legal definition that references neuroscience as a standard for gender. Can you produce one?
 
Whoever's side you're on should be worried.

But hey, let's see what you've got. I've asked Lisa to cite a legal definition that references neuroscience as a standard for gender. Can you produce one?
Oh, I refuse to take you seriously on this subject. She can keep humiliating you.
 
Oh, I refuse to take you seriously on this subject. She can keep humiliating you.
No, you're refusing to engage in the debate because if you did you'd eventually have to acknowledge that I am right, and your chest-thumping about anyone "humiliating me" would be proven to be empty bluster

Bad news for you is that running away from the debate is also proof that it was empty bluster. Either way, you lose.

So, for next time, I suggest you think these things through a bit more before commenting, and then perhaps you will not have to run away so quickly.
 
No, Lisa. I didn't say neuroscience research on gender identity doesn't exist. I said it's never, ever used as a standard in operative gender law. And we both know I'm right about that.
That neuroscience is the basis of gender law. It could not be otherwise. Your pedanticism in defense of bigotry is hilarious.

Is sexual orientation also faith based? :ROFLMAO:


If you're to willing label that input -- i.e., MA's and NY's faith-based definitions of gender -- as garbage, then perhaps we can find common ground.
There is no such thing as faith based definition because gender is not a religion. The fact that religious belief is also a protected class doesn't help your nonsense argument.
 
That neuroscience is the basis of gender law. It could not be otherwise. Your pedanticism in defense of bigotry is hilarious.
Excellent, if that's the case you should be able to cite a law that makes that claim. Can you?
 
Excellent, if that's the case you should be able to cite a law that makes that claim. Can you?
I already have in SCOTUS decisions. You just dont understand how the law works. The law does not rubber stamp scientific discoveries as you seem to think or want it to do.


Dunning-Kruger has your name on it.
 
That neuroscience is the basis of gender law. It could not be otherwise. Your pedanticism in defense of bigotry is hilarious.

Is sexual orientation also faith based? :ROFLMAO:



There is no such thing as faith based definition because gender is not a religion. The fact that religious belief is also a protected class doesn't help your nonsense argument.
^^^ BTW, ever notice that all one needs to do to earn a charge of "bigotry" from a trans idealog is to simply ask them to prove their point?
 
No, you're refusing to engage in the debate because if you did you'd eventually have to acknowledge that I am right, and your chest-thumping about anyone "humiliating me" would be proven to be empty bluster

Bad news for you is that running away from the debate is also proof that it was empty bluster. Either way, you lose.

So, for next time, I suggest you think these things through a bit more before commenting, and then perhaps you will not have to run away so quickly.
I can tell by this response you feel like the big winner here.
 
Elective cosmetic surgery isn’t medical care. Nobody is saying they can’t have such cosmetic surgeries or take unapproved hormones as adults. We just won’t be tolerating child abuse any longer.

That's the false choice. The hormones ARE approved and do delay puberty until the person in question can make a choice.
 
Getting back to the main point: Neoliberals / Moderate Dems are like gamblers who hit it big on the slots once, then spend their winnings trying to recapture the big win they scored way back when. They think they'll hit it big again if they do the exact same thing, but wear a different hat, or don't wash their underwear, or some other "luck" gimmick without fundamentally changing their behavior. All attempts at intervention fail. Finally then end up sinking their family's resources into the slots and ultimately ending in divorce and poverty.

This is what awaits the Democratic Party. Failure. Then maybe a win. Then failure, failure, failure, failure. Then a win.

Eventually you run out of runway to fail. And here we are.
 
Same here. One of the main reasons I voted “other,” is that using Joe Biden as some sort of measuring stick seems like just another Republican labeling ploy.

Biden is retired and gone from politics. I couldn’t care less about where he stood on a left-right scale. I only care about the current players and what they stand for moving forward. I don’t hear anyone on the right judging where Trump is on any right-left scale. He’s just on a right-wrong scale.

I agree. He may not have been the greatest at messaging, but I think he just about one of the shrewdest figures to ever sit in the Oval Office. Six terms in the Senate and two as Vice President. No other President comes close to the experience Biden brought to the job. Wherever anyone puts him on the left/right scale, it's hard to argue against wherever he decided to position himself as far as Democratic politics go.
 
Again, name one legal statute (that you support)

That's irrelevant, as we both know. Legality isn't static (like gender), its a construct and a system. Laws are made, laws are changed. Different states and nations have different legal standards.

that references a scientific standard when defining gender.

Well, lets use the same tool: AI.

Define Gender Scientifically​

Gender, from a scientific perspective, refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions, and identities associated with being a girl, woman, boy, man, or gender-diverse person. It is distinct from sex, which refers to the biological attributes such as chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy.2 Gender is not confined to a binary (male or female) and exists along a continuum, with the potential to change over time.2

Scientific research suggests that gender identity, which is an individual's internal sense of their own gender, can be influenced by a combination of biological, psychological, and social factors. There is considerable evidence indicating a biological component to gender identity, with some studies pointing to the influence of prenatal hormonal environments and brain structures.6

Furthermore, gender is recognized as a social construct that varies across cultures and can change over time. It influences how individuals perceive themselves and each other, as well as how they interact and the distribution of power and resources in society.2 The understanding of gender has evolved, with contemporary perspectives emphasizing the diversity of gender identities and expressions beyond the traditional binary framework.

 
Notice the list of citations. There are 40 different papers being referenced, by what appears to be 40 different people or research teams. What citations does @NatMorton have?
He has nothing and he knows he doesn't. Somehow he expects politicians to debate medical science and approve it, which they don't do and are not equipped to do, just because his arguments support gender denying bigotry. He wants to be able to harass and misgender people w/o consequence by saying that gender is a religious belief that has nothing objective to support it.
 
Elective cosmetic surgery isn’t medical care. Nobody is saying they can’t have such cosmetic surgeries or take unapproved hormones as adults. We just won’t be tolerating child abuse any longer.

We must live with an increase in suicide attempts because.... you care.
 
We must live with an increase in suicide attempts because.... you care.
You cannot demonstrate higher suicide rates among children who aren’t subjected to child abuse (mutilating surgeries and irreversible harmful effects from puberty blockers)
 
You cannot demonstrate higher suicide rates among children who aren’t subjected to child abuse (mutilating surgeries and irreversible harmful effects from puberty blockers)
Puberty blockers are mostly used for non-gender purposes such as precocious puberty and they are very reversible. The other uses for them are various cancers such as breast and prostate.



Puberty blockers are medications used to delay the onset of puberty in children experiencing precocious puberty, which is defined as starting puberty before age 8 in girls and before age 9 in boys. These blockers work by suppressing the production of sex hormones, helping to manage the physical and emotional challenges associated with early puberty.
 
How many times do I need to post this before you understand the implications of the decision?
A link doesn't cut it. Cite the passage in a law where neuroscience is the basis for defing gender. Either you can produce such a passage or you cannot, which is it?
 
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