Well yes, her campaign was fundamentally reducible to abortion and Orange Man Bad, and as we've seen time and time again, this is simply not adequate to carry a campaign, no matter how odious Trump may be.
All that for you to admit that you think the America is the most racist country, cool.
The last election was too big to rig. The Bush, McCain, Romney Mcconnell, Paul Ryan "conservatism" is dead....or on lasts gasps. There are some bitter clingers.
Oh - I like this game: if Obama’s election means we are post racist, does that mean every year before it we were in fact the most racist country when we had no black presidents?
“too big to rig” yeah that’s how rigging works, you can only do just enough and then you have to be careful. Like what Musk did for Trump in 2024.
I think the element you're missing in this calculus is that 50 years of real median wage stagnation and declines have finally come home to roost; we're not remotely in the same environment as we were back in the 70s through to the early 2000s.
Georgia is a purple state, and even there I don't think Ossoff and Warnock would be too happy to be closely associated with Chuck Schumer. I'm pretty sure if Georgia Republicans told voters that Ossoff and Warnock were going to DC to do the bidding of the national Democratic Party, everyone (including those senators) would understand that it was not a compliment.
Wait, are you saying Ossoff and Warnock (two candidates who won) are examples of "my version of the Democratic Party losing"? Notably, neither of them are Bernie Bros. Also notably, they aren't running in a deep red state. If those are the kind of candidates who can (barely) get elected in a state like Georgia, then we shouldn't even think of nominating someone more liberal, or less willing to criticize the national party, in an even redder state.
Georgia is a purple state because the Dems ran good progressive candidates. Warnock and Ossoff are social issue dems. That’s how states move to purple, good progressive candidates. Baesher in Ky is a great example and a contender for potus.
Don't worry you've said a lot i want to question. I'm trying to take it bit by bit, its a good game. I can always answer. We are not post racism and we weren't the most racist country in the world before. Care to answer how voting for a black man 17 and 13 years ago supports your conjecture that we vote on lines of race? You would think that in the most racist country in the world that 75 million adult Americans would never vote for a black person, let alone, a black woman.
What do you mean by "social issue Dems"? Neither of them are known for the sort of outrageous performative stunts on social issues that alienate voters. Neither of them are known for being particularly extreme on social issues.
Yes. Andy Beshear would be an excellent choice. If he is what you consider a "good progressive candidate," then I don't see where we disagree and I'm unsure why you are attacking me.
Your definition of a social issue dem is a Republican’s definition. They’re both progressives that didn’t attack the party from the right as you would have had them do.What do you mean by "social issue Dems"? Neither of them are known for the sort of outrageous performative stunts on social issues that alienate voters. Neither of them are known for being particularly extreme on social issues.
Yes. Andy Beshear would be an excellent choice. If he is what you consider a "good progressive candidate," then I don't see where we disagree and I'm unsure why you are attacking me.
This is the problem. You will say in one breath the election of a black man didn’t put us post-racism while insisting that electing a black man means we can possibly be racist. Donald Trump was the country’s response to Obama.
That's why relativity matters. There's not single society that has ever existed without some sort of prejudice. Why would a great and proud accomplishment be diminished by the the fact that prejudice is not complete erased.
And what did Trump run on? Calling the first black man elected president an illegitimate American. And 70 million Americans high agreed.
You're pivoting. That's ok, that means you're wrong. If you're going to be a black savior at least treat white people on here with the same respect.
I must of missed that
Same here. One of the main reasons I voted “other,” is that using Joe Biden as some sort of measuring stick seems like just another Republican labeling ploy.
You have zero understanding of any transgender care for adults or teens so you cannot prove a word of your claims of child mutilation. There is no such thing as trans ideology and you or any other conservative cannot prove otherwise. This is a medical issue and should be left in the hands of MDs and PhD's who have decades of education and experience treating transgender patients.
I didn’t but whenever one of you runs out of gas you insist the other person changed the subject. It’s like a factory that produces the same exchange on a loop.