Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

[The Brad Dad]

Were not a racist nation. That's why you lose, because of the incessant gas lighting and lies and the deliberate promotion of polarization through memes

We just had an election in which Trump and Vance claimed black peolle were eating other people’s pets. And they won. Racist country.

 

[Logophile]

They certainly didn't do a good job of it. Additionally, swing voters didn't like what they thought Democrats' focus and vision was, particularly with regard to Social Issues.

From the Democratic Research Initiative BluePrint:

And I think legislating social issues is extremely threatening to people who see it as trying to dictate their social and religious beliefs, in other words, their lives. Needless to say, that's a serious form of tyranny and rather primitive

 

[Logophile]

We just had an election in which Trump and Vance claimed black peolle were eating other people’s pets. And they won. Racist country.

No, they claimed Haitians were doing that. They weren't right but that doesn't make them claiming that "black people" are eating other people's pets. That's hyperbolic, untrue, and frankly, a cheap shot. Your claim of racism is vastly outdated and predicated on a meme

 

[The Brad Dad]

If that's what you imagine would be necessary then you recognize the fact that the Democratic message needs to be defined and promoted. It's certainly not "Republican light."

Is that all you can think of for the Dem platform?

If you're defining and promoting anti-Democratic ideals that just leads to murkiness and votes for Republicans. Democrats need to run as Democrats.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Why not? She'll be 39 in 2028, which makes her young and extremely popular.

Dems arent' going to run a woman on that platform for a very long time.

 

[The Brad Dad]

No, they claimed Haitians were doing that. They weren't right but that doesn't make them claiming that "black people" are eating other people's pets. That's hyperbolic, untrue, and frankly, a cheap shot. Your claim of racism is vastly outdated and predicated on a meme

I think hyperbole is claiming black people are eating other adult's pets.

 

[NatMorton]

Its a problem to say this is not a political issue but instead a medical issue, so politicians should stay out of what they dont understand. Politicians arent Drs and psychologists. It has only been politicized to pander to conservative rubes who also dont understand medical care.

Save it for the idealogues.

 

[Logophile]

You claim to be a neo-liberal but the tone of your posts is pure MAGA. You're not fooling anyone by claiming to being a liberal because you are not a liberal.

Drag queens story hour is a non issue for democrats, if only the GOP would just let it go, but you would not dare criticize the GOP for their obsession with drag queens and additionally transgender people.

Hard left liberals are obsessed with drag queens. Nobody else is. It's another ploy that far left liberals are hoping will fuel polarization and force "think police" on people, because if they ever got their way, that would be the net result. Happily, it won't work

 

[Logophile]

I think hyperbole is claiming black people are eating other adult's pets.

You're making no sense

 

[The Brad Dad]

You're making no sense

Saying black people are eating other folks' pets and adults believing it makes no sense to me so we're even.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Hard left liberals are obsessed with drag queens. Nobody else is.

It's not blue states writing actual legislation banning them. It's not blue states sending state agents into adult clubs to raid them from WATCHING drag queens. Literally no one was bothering anyone until right wing men who vote for other men that wear eyeliner decided other Americans no longer have a right to pursue happiness.

 

[The Brad Dad]

OK? Then you want the same kind of candidates that I do.

I have no objection to nominating more Ossoffs and Warnocks in purple states, or candidates like Andy Beshear for president. Yes. More of that please.

Okay. So you don't have a problem with social issues, just bad candidates.

 

[The Brad Dad]

This should include judges from scotus down.

Alito and Thomas need to be removed yesterday.

 

[j brown's body]

It's not blue states writing actual legislation banning them. It's not blue states sending state agents into adult clubs to raid them from WATCHING drag queens. Literally no one was bothering anyone until right wing men who vote for other men that wear eyeliner decided other Americans no longer have a right to pursue happiness.

Yeah, whenever I hear anything about drag queens or transgenders, it comes from the right.

 

[Logophile]

It's not blue states writing actual legislation banning them. It's not blue states sending state agents into adult clubs to raid them from WATCHING drag queens. Literally no one was bothering anyone until right wing men who vote for other men that wear eyeliner decided other Americans no longer have a right to pursue happiness.

You need to provide links

 

[Blue Dog]

Always the great debate. Please the progressives at the expense of the moderates or please the moderates at the expense of the progressives.

Let’s look at Presidential elections. No Democrat has won unless he took some electoral votes from a southern state. Let’s also acknowledge that southern states do not embrace progressive ideology to the extent it will influence the electoral college.

IMO

 

[Lisa]

Save it for the idealogues.

The only ideologues are the morons who watch the rage bait on Fox News.

Hard left liberals are obsessed with drag queens. Nobody else is. It's another ploy that far left liberals are hoping will fuel polarization and force "think police" on people, because if they ever got their way, that would be the net result. Happily, it won't work

I don't care about drag queens. Its only conservatives who have ever made it an issue.

 

[j brown's body]

^^^ Democrats, this is your problem.

And weirdly, not really a problem at all, but an opportunity.

It comes down to should transgenders be allowed to exist?

The answer should be obvious.

The Dems just need to make it.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Oh, money in politics. Look at what’s happening in NY. You have major media and dem establishment shoving Cuomo down everyone’s throat.

Name a competitive election where a solidly progressive Democrat won. AOC could not win an election outside of a D+20 district. Money isn't the issue, often progressive candidates raise tons of money from the grassroots, the problem is that the country is a center right country, and to win majorities, you have to win in competitive districts.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Name a competitive election where a solidly progressive Democrat won.

Joe Biden.

 

[The Brad Dad]

You need to provide links

Oh? Okay, you first - you stated that it was Democrats obsessed and shoving this down everyone's throat. Links. Ghead. And no, simply sending me a link of drag queen activity isn't it. Show me the legislation.

 

[j brown's body]

Name a competitive election where a solidly progressive Democrat won. AOC could not win an election outside of a D+20 district. Money isn't the issue, often progressive candidates raise tons of money from the grassroots, the problem is that the country is a center right country, and to win majorities, you have to win in competitive districts.

I don't think it's unpopular policy as much as it is a lack of vision, or the lack of the expression of one.

 

[j brown's body]

The only ideologues are the morons who watch the rage bait on Fox News.


I don't care about drag queens. Its only conservatives who have ever made it an issue.

He contradicted himself. Leaving medical questions to doctors and not politicians would seem to be the opposite of ideological.

 

[Lisa]

He contradicted himself. Leaving medical questions to doctors and not politicians would seem to be the opposite of ideological.

Tucker Carlson admitted the Fox News business model.

Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson has slammed his former employers for broadcasting 'propaganda' aimed at their 'elderly' vulnerable viewers.

Speaking to former Trump advisor Steve Bannon on "Bannon’s War Room" podcast, Carlson said "What they’re doing is what they always do, which is just turning up the propaganda hose to full blast and just trying to, you know, knock elderly Fox viewers off their feet and make them submit to where you want them to."

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni rolls her eyes while Trump speaks at the G7

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[Real blank]

I suspect that centrist former Democrats no longer vote for them because they imagine the party spends its time having conversations like these.